Thursday, December 4, 2008

At last, someone with the testicular fortitude

Finally, a politician with the guts and the watak keperwiraan – the testicular fortitude – to address head-on and stand his ground on the issue of vernacular schools, the throbbing cancerous tumour that has been the single biggest obstacle to Malaysia’s social cohesion and the main impediment to the creation of a Bangsa Malaysia speaking in one voice, Bahasa Malaysia, guided by the budaya and tatatertib of the Orang Melayu.

Kudos to Mukhriz Mahathir!

This vernacular school menace must be expeditiously and decisively obliterated from our Tanah Air Tercinta. A society that allows, indeed sanctions, such a prickly, divisive ethno-sociological anomaly – after over a half century of Merdeka – does not deserve the privilege of nationhood. If we think we are a people worthy of our own Negara Merdeka under the Panji-Panji Raja-Raja Melayu Berdaulat, we must then take swift and decisive action to annihilate this societal outrage that has become a clear threat to our socio-political stability, to the development of a cohesive Bangsa Malaysia and, indeed, to our national security and integrity of Bumi Malaysia.

The Malaysian nation cannot support a system that produces functional illiterates molded in the linguistic and cultural forms of alien nations far from the shores of our Tanah Air. Many of these SRJK lost souls drop out upon entering the national high school system due to their sheer inability to adapt to the mainstream Bahasa Malaysia-centric curriculum. Many will become lifelong socio-economic burdens as these social outcasts ultimately percolate into the underground economy to eke out a wretched existence on the fringes of criminality. They also add to the social roadblock towards effective nation-building and in the formation of a cohesive, productive Anak Bangsa Malaysia.

The SRJK(C) and (T) produce kids who are more insular, more parochial and less receptive to socio-cultural diversity. From my own direct interaction with these products of vernacular schooling, I find them not only below par in Bahasa Malaysia BUT also grossly deficient in English as well. Hence, they are handicapped in the national language and the international language of commerce – a double whammy the vast majority will never be able to overcome.

These functional illiterates end up as a cheap source of semi-indentured labour in the motor workshops, auto accessory shops, in the building trades, sleazy unisex salons, become cetak rompak aficionados, stalk shopping malls to harass shoppers with a myriad of worthless gizmos and, in the case of many if not most Tamil-educated Indians, become low wage general workers, lorry drivers and assorted hired hands for the towkays.

The anti-Malay chauvinist politicians will then turn around and blame the NEP and Ketuanan Melayu for this socio-economic malady of their own concoction, further unraveling the last vestiges of social cohesion we may have in our
Tanah Air Tercinta.

I often wonder, where is this vast trove of “superior” products of the Chinese and Tamil schools? Where are these people who purportedly benefit from superior education compared to the government schools?

Where?


Rakyat Malaysia yang cintakan Negara dan yang mahu membina sebuah Bangsa Malaysia yang Seia, Sehati dan Sejiwa harus berganding bahu dan mengembeling tenaga untuk membanteras sehabisan-habisan gejala sekolah vernakular yang telah menjadi sarang dan punca berbagai masalah sosial Tanah Air tercinta kita. Inilah langkah pertama dalam perjuangan kita untuk membentuk sebuah Bangsa Malaysia yang berbahasa Malaysia dan berpandu kepada budaya dan tatatertib Melayu di Bumi Malaysia tercinta ini.

Satu Bangsa, Satu Bahasa, Satu Negara bukan lah laungan retorik semata-mata. Inilah teras pertiwi dan teraju segala falsafah yang akan menjamin kedaulatan, ketahanan dan keutuhan Negara Malaysia tercinta dalam menghadapi berbagai cabaran sosio-ekonomi dan politik dalaman dan luaran yang kian semakin rancak bergelora.



Hasil Sekolah Vernakular

After 51 years of Merdeka?
A banner protesting Ahmad Ismail’s “Cina Pendatang” remark written in …… Mandarin …… the national language of the People’s Republic of China, an alien foreign language (even to ethnic-Chinese Malaysians) that led Ahmad Ismail to view them as “Pendatangs” in the first place.




The inherently contradictory and indefensibly dichotomous position of the Chinese chauvinists in their defense of vernacular schooling 51 years after Merdeka are endless. There exist no single logical argument that supports the continuation of the archaic colonial-era Chinese and Tamil school streams in a sovereign nation such as Malaysia, where Bahasa Malaysia is the sole national language and constitutionally supreme over any other language or dialect. Indeed, no other language is mentioned by name in the Malaysian Federal Constitution.

Anything that threatens the constitutional supremacy of Bahasa Malaysia – and vernacular schools are the most blatant example – must be vigorously curtailed and abolished. The greater public good – in this case, a single unifying language for the Federation – by definition must prevail over ancillary cultural rights of assorted sub-groups and descendants of the immigrant races, collectively defined as “other communities” in Article 153 of the Federal Constitution.

“Malay” is mentioned 54 times in the Federal Constitution. “Natives of any of the States of Sabah and Sarawak” are also mentioned many times, often in tandem with “Malay.” There exists no specific reference to a “Chinese” or “Indian” or “Punjabi” or “Eurasian” or any other ethnic group. These non-Malays and non-Borneo natives are lumped as “other communities,” the residual populace of the Federation. Hence, Article 153, by design and implication, specifically differentiates the “Malays” and the “Natives of any of the States of Sabah and Sarawak” from the “other communities.”

Article 153 of the Federal Constitution in the same breath mentions the "legitimate interests" of the "other communities."

"Legitimate” is the key word when we talk about the “legitimate interests” of the “other communities.” Indeed, the “legitimate” in the “legitimate interests” of the “other communities” are subordinate to the larger national interests of the Federation. In terms of National Language policy, the “legitimate interests” of the "other communities" must necessarily be subordinated to the supremacy of Bahasa Malaysia (a larger national interest) and these "legitimate interests" should never be an impediment to the development and propagation of the National Language among the citizens of the Federation.

Vernacular schools are clearly impediments to the development and propagation of our National Language among our citizens. Hence, their very constitutionality can be reviewed and debated in the context of propagating the larger national interest and social integrity of the Federation of Malaysia.

In a nutshell, the qualifying term “legitimate” in the "legitimate interests" of the "other communities" implies the non-absolute nature of the “interests” of Malaysia’s “other communities.” In terms of language and cultural "rights" of the non-Malays and non-Borneo natives of the Federation, the determination of what is "legitimate" in the "legitimate interests" of these "other communities" must be conducted against the backdrop of a larger, all pervasive national interest and public good for the Federation. The Federal Constitution hence clearly implies that the "right" of the non-Malay, non-Borneo native populace is non-absolute and subordinated to the rights of the general populace and to the public good. "Mother tongue" language usage and vernacular schooling are no exceptions.

I must reiterate that the "Malays" and the "Natives of any of the States of Sabah and Sarawak" are constitutionally distinct from the "other communities." Sorry, we are not the same under the Malaysian Federal Constitution. This was how the Federation of Malaysia was forged amidst the polygot of former Malay States under British protection, British colonies and settlements. To question the distinct status of the "Malays" and the "Natives of any of the States of Sabah and Sarawak" is tantamount to a repudiation of the fundamental tenets of the nation of Malaysia itself. In other words, treasonous.

Hence, for contemporary opportunistic anti-Malay politicians to cast the “Malay” and other “Natives” in the same light as the so-called “other communities” and then to demand kesamarataan among these two groups – including a parallel National vs. Vernacular school system – are not only unconstitutional, but also seditious, delusional, mischievous and self-destructive and, indeed, a pathetic indication of their utter ignorance of the socio-demographic blueprint of the Malaysian Federal Constitution that was forged in the context of Malay compromises and giveaways to the desperate, stateless pendatangs and their descendants.

Mukhriz Mahathir is absolutely correct and Demi Negara lauds his position.

At a time where "Malay Rights" and every single instrument of Malaysian nationhood are being brought into disrepute by the anti-Malay reactionary forces currently infesting and contaminating our Tanah Air, it is time for all patriotic Anak-Anak Bangsa Malaysia to rise and question the many social anomalies and maladies propagated by these same treasonous reactionary forces that have effectively short-circuited our nation building process. Vernacular schooling is the most prominent of these social ailments.

Lets discuss. I want to hear intelligent arguments. State your case logically and share your thoughts and experiences.

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ghazi said...

What about PPSMI (Pengajaran dan Pembelajaran Sains dan Matematik dalam Bahasa Inggeris)? What's your opinion regarding such move by the government of the day..?

Thank you...

balan said...

Apahal lama sangat tiada posting. Anyway another good one.

Have commented on this on my blog way back in Nov.

http://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/2008/11/close-down-all-tamil-schools.html

and here

http://balankumarpremakumaran.blogspot.com/2008/12/mukhriz-implement-single-structure-in.html

Some people simply failed to see the idea in the proper context, positively.

And our leaders can't even enggage in a constructive debate before reaching a conclusion. Everyone from both ends (PKR, DAP, MIC& MCA) became emotional and started threatening with police reports, seditions act etc..

And yet our leaders (BN and Pakatan) keep saying that the rakyat (they included) are matured enough, all the time, during and after elections.

How can that be when we are not even prepared to discuss future of our children in a pragmatic, constructive and sensible way.

Najib simply shrugged it off, what does that tell us about our future PM.

Where is Harapan Baru? Tak boleh diharap langsung. Why the silence? What else if not for the fear of losing their non-malay votes more than working towards building a united Malaysia.

Tam Dalyell said...

Hanya ini jalan untuk Negara tercinta. Jauh tapi selamat. Jalan lain singkat penuh perangkap.

Setengah abad jalan singkat. Usahkan sampai malahan tempang dengkat. Usahkan terpimpin malahan sesat.

Beranikan diri untuk zuriat. Esok lusa kita kembali. Tinggalkan zuriat tidak melarat.

Mukhriz cadangkan sekolah satu aliran. Penghantar Bahasa Melayu. Mathematik dan Science Berbahasa Inggeris. Bahasa ibunda diwajibkan. Boleh pilih bahasa ketiga.

Inilah yang paling hampir menyerupai cadangan Jawatankuasa Barnes (1950). Kaisu Cina India tolak ke-1.

Cadangan Penyata Razak (1956). Terkurang dari cadangan Barnes. Kaisu Cina India tolak ke-2.

Cadangan Laporan Rahman Talib (1960). Lebih lemah dari cadangan Penyata Razak. Kaisu Cina India tolak ke-3.

Dato Mukhriz bawa cadangan. Belum lagi ‘Laporan atau Penyata Mukhriz (2008)’. Kaisu Cina India tolak ke-4. Kaisu perusak bernama Lim Kit Siang dan kumpulan lanunnya.

Kabarnya Pak Lah tak suka Mukhriz 'buat kacau'. Tolak lagi.

Khabarnya Najib dan Hishamuddin pun tak senang. Tolak lagi.

Pak Lah janji jadi PM untuk semua. Rupanya PM untuk bukan Melayu sahaja. Serupalah tolak Melayu.

Pemimpin dipilih mengkhianati pemilih. Melayu mengundi Tan Lian Hoe. Melayu pendatang katanya. Ditolak lagi.

Kawan sebilik memusuhi dalam diam. Menikam waktu lena. Soi Lek punya tuan. Ibu segala tolak.

Jiran tetangga umpama labah-labah. Merentang jaring di peranginan. Menunggu mangsa lupa. Melayu mudah lupa?

PAS menyendiri mencari tuhannya. Konon utama keluar berdakwah. Nak ajak kafir masuk rumah. Anak bangsa diabai tinggal. 'Erdogan' masuk mencelah.

UMNO berdiri saksama konon. Sikudong untut manakan teguh. Apatah lagi tegak adil. Ubah perjuangan nampak?

Peruntukanmu dilanun kawan sebilik. Biarkan. Biarkan.

Pakaian kedaulatan bangsa mu dimomokkan orang. Konon mu bukan tuannya. Tinggallah mu telanjang bulat. Biarkan. Biarkan.

Kasihan Melayu. Anak tiri di rumah ayah ibu kandung. Bayi buangan tanpa ibu susuan ayah pelindung.



Wahai Melayu sebatang kara. Tiada harapankah untuk mu? Kau dah tersepit di penjuru. Tinggal satu kalau nak buat.

Pilih pembela seperti Mukhriz atau sesiapa serupa,
Yang sara rumah juga jiran tangga,
Yang tak saksama tapi adil.

Atau jangan pilih sesiapa.
Serahkan mu pada mu.
Lalu ubah apa yang ada dalam diri mu.
Apa yang ada dalam diri mu.

Ini jalan paling jauh.
Ini jalan paling selamat.

---tHe uNnaMeD---The Beginning Of Everything said...

Mukhriz Mahathir's recent statement may have been inspired by your blog.

Tun M is known to follow many blogs, and I doubt he doesn't follow yours!!

http://hikayatmamakbendahara.blogspot.com/

Denone said...

KijangMas,

What else is left for us to say? You've argued it persuasively and convincingly, interpreting the highest law of Malaysia, the Constitution, only Prof.Shaq Faruqi would be able to contest.

I've stated my undivided position on this vernacular school issue in this blog before and I would state it again, that we have to abolish the vernacular school system. There's no two ways about it.

You have mentioned about standard of Bahasa Melayu and English among the SRJK kids which is grossly deficient and below par. Actually, the problems is not just among the drop out, but also among those who are eligible to enter local universities. There's a huge difference between chinese kids from national school system and the SRJK ones. But somehow, upon graduation, these chinese kids with language deficiencies (except speaking their mother tongue), manage to secure jobs as there are jobs waiting for those with mandarin. I've long argued that this mandarin requirement is just to camourflage the chinese employers racist skin.

Let's get the Malay NGOs, intellectuals, pressure-groups, social-action groups, special-interest groups to come out in support of Mukhriz's brave statement. Also, I would like to urge, the other Malay leaders, in particular Khairy Jamaluddin to joint the chorus supporting Mukhriz's stand. Don't worry so much about who'll be chosen as the UMNO Youth Chief. What is more important is the future of anak Bangsa di Tanah Air. They need to close ranks and speak of one voice.

Dato' Bendahara said...

Yea, yes, you deminegara..

While I do agree with you for the most part, your attempt to turn this debate into a ''Malay vs non-Malay'' ala ''us vs them'' game may alienate a large section of your readers.

This line is disturbing;

''Hence, for contemporary opportunistic anti-Malay politicians to cast the “Malay” and other “Natives” in the same light as the so-called “other communities” and then to demand kesamarataan among these two groups – including a parallel National vs. Vernacular school system – are not only unconstitutional, but also seditious, delusional, mischievous and self-destructive and, indeed, a pathetic indication of their utter ignorance of the socio-demographic blueprint of the Malaysian Federal Constitution that was forged in the context of Malay compromises and giveaways to the desperate, stateless pendatangs and their descendants.''

Many ''pendatang'' are here because;
1)they born here
2)they love the country

Many would not leave if given a choice. Those kurang ajar Cina Bukit-like comprises only a section of the ''pendatang'' society. Many do have an alternative but choose to stay because they just love Malaysia. Many are not stateless or desperate.

Many ''pendatang'' do accept the status quo and respect the constitution. A couple of years ago, this bunch was more vocal as Mahathir Mohamad did not allow Cina Bukits like Lim Kit Siang to make noise. Right now, the tables has turned. Only 5% of the ''pendatang'' has an original stand on issues concerning the nation, the other 30% don't care and the 65% majority behaves herd-like and reacts to the current fad.

The Cinas, including Cina Bukits like Lim Kit Siang did not care about Anwar Ibrahim or RPK a couple of years ago. The herd mentality only started in the months leading to the elections, with news organs like Mkini and Mtoday playing up the sentiments.

We are much more divided since the appearance of opposition and so on...

Dollah Badawi can go to hell, and Najib needs to grow some balls...

http://hikayatmamakbendahara.blogspot.com/

Malaysian Tigress said...

Here is Tony Pua's statement for thought (not that I am in agreement):

Neither parents or vernacular schools are at fault for national unity

____________
Media Statement
by Tony Pua
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(Petaling Jaya, Thursday) : It was reported in the Star today that the National Unity and Integration Department director-general Datuk Azman Azmin said the “parents’ tendency to send their children to vernacular schools instead of national schools” was the “most probable” cause for the issues relating to national unity.

By pin-pointing vernacular schools as the main cause of the lack of national unity is akin to the recently withdrawn ethnic relations guidebook for our university students which placed the misguided blame on “Indian youths” as the main cause for the Kpg Medan riots in 2001. The National Unity and Integration Department has failed to take into consideration the larger context and hence the underlying cause of national disunity in Malaysia.

If vernacular schools are even at fault for the lack of national unity, then surely the Government's policy of promoting ethnic-centric Mara Junior Science Colleges (MRSMs) and Matriculation Colleges will be equally at fault for the problems. If vernacular schools result in the lack of racial interaction, then surely, by placing the top bumiputera students in ethnically centric schools is only perpetuating the problems.

Datuk Azman Azmin has failed to take into consideration the fact that we live in a multicultural country. Even the Minsiter of Education himself, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein has argued that “multi-culturalism is an added advantage and a strength for the country.” By treating vernacular schools as obstacles to national unity is akin to the fallacious argument that national unity can only be achieved through cultural assimilation.

On the other hand, the lack of national unity in Malaysia is bred by the persistent unfair and discriminatory practices which marginalises Malaysians of non-Malay descent. For example, The government's disbursement of RM1.4 million to 248 Chinese primary schools, or a meagre RM6,000 per school as hyped by Deputy Education Minister Datuk Hon Choon Kim in the vernacular press, pales in comparison to the RM709 million allocated to building 15 new MRSMs, and more for upgrades and repairs of existing MRSMs.

In addition, despite the consistent claim by the government that it will build more vernacular schools in accordance to the needs of the people, the number of Chinese primary schools have declined from 1,333 in 1957 to 1,288 today while enrolment has more than doubled from 310,000 to 636,000. At the same time, the number of Tamil primary schools has been reduced from 526 in 2001 to 523 in 2006 despite a 12.7% increase in enrolment from 88,810 in 2001 to 100,142 in 2006. It is hence not surprising that the non-Malay community in Malaysia feels threatened and discriminated against.

The continued discriminatory policies in education also fails to take into account other policies which discriminates against non-bumiputras, contributing significantly to the lack of racial integration and national unity.

Hence, the emphasis of mother-tongue education in vernacular schools should not colour our judgement of their national unity contributions. Instead, its contribution to society should be judged by the quality of students, their patriotism to the country and in turn, their future contributions back to Malaysian society.

It is critical for the government to have faith in its own rhetoric, that not only does vernacular education contribute to the richness of the Malaysian education system, it weaves the very fabric of our diverse multi-cultural identity.

On a separate point, parents can definitely not be blamed for choosing schools based on academic standards and quality. If vernacular schools are at fault for the lack of national unity, then surely, our national school system will be equally at fault for providing weak and poor quality education. Malaysian parents are wise to choose the type of education for their children to they will maximise their potentials to ensure international marketability in their future careers.

Datuk Azman Azmin should immediately retract his statement which blamed the existence of vernacular schools as well as the millions of parents who send their children to these schools as the main cause for the lack of national unity in Malaysia. On the other hand, the continued neglect of the vernacular education system may ironically sow the seeds of national disunity, the very outcome which our government has been seeking to avoid."



I find it funny that Tony says that "the lack of national unity in Malaysia is bred by the persistent unfair and discriminatory practices which marginalises Malaysians of non-Malay descent. "

Aren't sekolah kebangsaan open to all and sundry? The best government schools? What discrimination is he talking about here? For not allowing each and every race to have free reign and their own individualized education system. Well, phooey! I want a bloody Punjabi vernacular school too then to protect my kids' half Punjabi heritage! Bagi betis nak peha, bagi peha nak negara.

The biggest mistake Malaysia made was being too acommodating. The nation has for a fact been VERY open and accepting and hospitable to all races from the beginning even to the extent of "protecting" the right to learn in the other races mother tongue. Something you don't see in other nations.

Deputy Minister Wee says:

"I felt astounded with Mukhriz's statement. To suggest for one-system like in Singapore, it is an extraordinary and unconventional statement. According to the (Federal) Constitution, all Malaysians have the right to study their own mother tongue."

Well now...why be selective? Hasn't Singapore been exemplary all this while in other areas?

There is NOTHING unconventional about this. What is unconventional is the fact that there EXIST vernacular schools in Malaysia!

Najib says:

“For instance, not everyone in the Chinese society are of the same faith and they feel that having a vernacular school will act as a platform to instil useful and positive values among community members,” he added."

okayyy...we have:
* Buddhism
* Taoism
* Confucianism (Ancestor worship)
* Superstition of Malaysian Chinese
* Fengshui
* Protestantism
* Catholicism
* Islam
* I-Kuan Tao
* De Jiao (Moral Uplifting Society)

So how many kinds of Chinese-type vernacular schools do we have here then? Are there different times allocated for all the different beliefs? Belum masuk lagi sekolah Tamil. Sekolah Sikh ada? Orang Asli?

Face it.We ARE also talking about ISLAM ENSHRINED in the constitution right? As the OFFICIAL religion? And Bahasa Melayu as the OFFICIAL LANGUAGE? The main religion that HAS to be maintained in schools of the national-type is Islam. There is NO concept of a secular state in Islam. There is still a long way to go as before we can say Malaysia is an Islamic State, but the non-muslims definitely have more liberties than even the good old US of A where you don't even get holidays or recognition for each and every religious festival and even Muslims are seen drinking and practically fornicating in public without fear. What more do you DAP-types want?

HOWEVER, THERE IS NO HINDRANCE TO ANYONE OF OTHER RELIGIONS/BELIEFS TO PRACTICE OR LEARN OR SET UP THEIR OWN PLACES OF WORSHIP OR INSTRUCTION OR LEARN THEIR LANGUAGES. So, what's the problem here?

Where was the Constitution when Guan Eng dengan keras kepala dan bongkak insisted on his multiple language road signs?

Why are they bringing up the constitution only when it suits them?

Tunku Abdul Rahman said it BEST upon granting citizenship to the other races:

"Tunku had expressed doubts about the loyalty of the non-Malays to Malaya, and as a result, insisted that this be settled before they be granted citizenship. However, he also stated that "For those who love and feel they owe undivided loyalty to this country, we will welcome them as MALAYANS. They must truly be MALAYANS, and they will have the SAME rights and privileges as the Malays."

ARE YOU PEOPLE MALAYANS YET?

ARE WE THERE YET?

I AM.

Malaysian Tigress said...

BTW, when these Tony Pua types whine about discrimination, they obviously havent read about what apartheid was really like and what the blacks in the US experienced earlier on.

Despite some shortcomings...don't we ALL, of every race eat (and get poisoned) at the same mamak stalls, sit anywhere on the same bus, pee all over the floors of the same public toilets, drink from the same spit-riddled water cooler, line up in the SAME file at every previously lembab gomen department and cheating carrefour hypermart and go to same govt hospitals?

He doesn't KNOW what discrimination is lah. Just mengada2.

Malaysian Tigress said...

"HOWEVER, THERE IS NO HINDRANCE TO ANYONE OF OTHER RELIGIONS/BELIEFS TO PRACTICE OR LEARN OR SET UP THEIR OWN PLACES OF WORSHIP OR INSTRUCTION OR LEARN THEIR LANGUAGES."

Might I add..."IN THEIR OWN TIME LAH". Or maybe we can have other common languages as an elective in the sekolah kebangsaan?

HOWEVER, one thing is SURE. The state of our national schools/educational system MUST be rectified/improved and the workload/quality of the teachers is of a major concern. The quality/calibre of our pelajar is DECLINING and that CANNOT be IGNORED because the future of the nation and our kids depend on it.

Anonymous said...

UMNO """"maklah yang telah membinasakan pendidikan budak-budak Melayu. Sekejap ini sekejap itu. Tengoklah betapa bodohnya tindakan UMNO dalam hal PPSMI. Orang-orang UMNO betul-betul percaya yang budak-budak Melayu boleh menguasai BI melalui PPSMI. Oi UMNO {{{tat guru-guru Melayu terutama yang mengajar disekolah luar bandar sendiri tak fasih dalam BI apatah lagi mengajar dalam BI.
SK dan SKK telah hampir berjaya dalam pengunaan BM sebagai bahasa pengantara untuk semua mata pelajaran. Mengapa UMNO mahu membinasakan segala usaha-usaha ini. Pastinya mamak Melayu celup Maha"""" ada agenda tersembunyi disini. Sudah jelas apakah agenda Maha"""" dengan tindakan anaknya Mukhriz untuk merebut jawatan ketua pemuda UMNO dan pada masa yang sama Maha"""" masih mempertahankan tndakan untuk PPSMI itu.

UMNO ''''mak keramaian orang Melayu sudah sedar akan segala muslihat mu. UMNO akan kalah di PR kecil KT. Mampuslah UMNO

Malaysian Tigress said...

PPS or PPPS, whatever:

I don't think Mukhriz has the cojones lah. I respect Tun but his children are a liability. Regular people don't click with billionaire sons of Premiers (with the spectres of bailouts/profiteering/easy money deserved or not hanging over them.

We need a REAL leader of the people,from the regular people, in touch with the people, without all the old baggage and the stamp of elitism, detachment, enrichment via connections/patronage etc2..all the things that are wrong with/perceived within UMNO today. The wrongs that led to this huge bloody mess and loss of authority and power and respectability.

Someone we can respect, who deserves our respect and can bring together the people without fear or favour or self-interest.

We don't have that today.

I used to be so proud to be a Malaysian. Now frankly speaking, I see Malaysia totally aimless, tanpa haluan, tanpa pengemudi.

I even wonder. Why do I even bother to talk about these issues? Is it worth it anymore?

I worry for my children and the future.

Maybe I should move to greener pastures like Baiti and others before this great ship sinks?

LordApes said...

Sesungguhnya Anonymous di atas menunjukkan betapa ceteknya pemikiran penyokong PR yang hanya tahu membangkang, menuduh, memfitnah, memanggil nama buruk dan mencerca tanpa reti untuk berdebat secara bijaksana dan saksama. Dahla lari topik.

Berbalik kepada point saya.

BAHASA JIWA BANGSA

Satu ayat mudah yang penuh dengan makna. Belajar makna ayat tersebut. Ulang ayat tersebut setiap hari dan lihat sekeliling kita. Bangsa Malaysia yang tiada JIWA. Malah, tidak wujud Bangsa Malaysia. Bangsa Melayu, Bangsa Cina, Bangsa India, lain-lain bangsa... Apa dah jadi?

Soulless Malaysians living their lives within their meaningless shallow social tribe which slowly kills the country. Like a cancer. Only much worse. I really do hope that our condition has not yet deteriorated so far that the only way to repair this is another 1969. God forbid.

I love my country.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous December 5, 2008 5:52 AM

Kamu menyalahgunakan keterbukaan blog ini menerima posting kamu. Kamu mencarut. Kamu menyumpah-nyumpah. Kamu memaki hamun. Kerana kamu terdesak bahawa tiada harapan lagi untuk SRJKC kamu?

Memang lumrah hasil SRJKC semestinya seperti kamu. Keluaran SK tidak berkata "keramaian orang Melayu sudah sedar". Guru SK ajar "keramaian" diguna dalan kontek "keramaian pesta", "menganjurkan satu keramaian" umpamanya. Guru SRJKC kamu keliru antara kegunaan 'ramai' dan 'banyak'. Kenapa ye? Guru keliru. Murid celaru. Guru kencing berdiri murid berak berlari.

Dan kamu dakwa guru SK tidak bermutu. Kekeliruan kamu mencambah sehingga tidak dapat membezakan antara baik dan buruk. Kamu sudah berumur setengah abad tetapi belum baligh. Tahu baligh? Kerana apa? Kerana SRJKC.

Kami bukan UMNO. Dan kami tidak puja Tun Mahathir seperti kamu puja RPK atau umat Nabi Lot itu. Kami hargai Tun Mahathir kerana pendiriannya dan sumbangannya.

Walaupun seseorang pemimpin itu kami tidak suka, kami akan terima semata-mata kerana dia adil. Saksama tak cukup. Jika dia sara rumah ku dengan baik, jaga jiran ku dengan saksama, berlaku adil terhadap kami (aku dan jiran ku) dia jadi pilihan.

Walaubagaimanapun, kami seronok kerana kamu sudi jengok-jengok menghiburkan kami.

LipanBara.

Anonymous said...

Malaysian Tigress, you said that "The quality/calibre of our pelajar is DECLINING and that CANNOT be IGNORED because the future of the nation and our kids depend on it."

But surely that cannot be, because nowadays every time exam results come out we find that vast hordes of students are able obtain multiple A's.

This was not the case in the sixties and earlier when even obtaining even a handful of A's was considered a big deal.

So, doesn't this prove that Malaysia's educational standard has soared phenomenally?

Sulaiman

satD said...

Salam Bro Kijangmas....

Good to have u back.....as always spot on.....

We need to stress test their logic statistically as well as hurt their wallet...and we must be effective and have strong will-power if we want to successfully execute our national unity programs to achieve what our predecessor could not.....

http://satdthinks.blogspot.com/2008/12/stress-testing-logic-of-vernacular.html

Too many people are talking without substance and actual data to monitor all the issues which we are facing in our country....

To me the guy with the best data wins the argument.....better start collecting now.....

Selamat Menyambut Aidil Adha...abe kelek kelata ko rayo?....

Wass
satD

Apocryphalist said...

Towards the end of this excellent posting of yours, you say, “ … time to … rise and question the many social anomalies and maladies propagated by these same treasonous reactionary forces that have effectively short-circuited our nation building process.”

Indeed. Let’s do just that. We have all stated our case, prognosed the offending lecher, and even lay out the path with which we should follow from now on. Time to take this all up into action. Let the closet Azlys, the discombobulated FarishNoors, the capricious AnwarIbrahims and the spiritually-flummoxed SistersinIslams pat themselves in the back with each self-extirpating issue that they write and got applauded by their ever-hungry-for-more-self-bashing-malays non-malay audiences. After all, if all the deminegaras and the sakmongkols and the jebats of this world, plus other lesser but profound Hangs and Tuns exist only within the confines of whizzing photons and electrons in this augmented existence that is the ‘net, we can only achieve the reality of Bangsa Malaysia tercinta on the Twelfth … of Never!

How do we start? Let's see. Perhaps this thing about suggesting the abolishment of vernacular schools is a start? I mean, a serious, action-oriented call rather than just undi-pitching rhetorics? And what about Dato’ Sak? Isn’t he an ADUN or something? Anything, anything at all --- to bring about the voices that echo in this here Chandrapura Halls of Echo to the main battle front instead of relying on lobotomied politicians to do the job for us.

Ahah! Then this is perhaps where we should all start. To counter-act, subterfuge or abrogate the ever onslaught of psychological warfare of the non pribumis using that subliminal thing called guilt. As Garrison Keillor once aptly put it, “Guilt is my mother’s favourite instrument”. Equipped with these, they have made an act of guilt when YB Ahmad tells the truth about the pendatangs… and the entire UMNO shrivels kneewise to apologise. It was also without guilt that Theresa Kok lied to the Chinese government about malays mistreating “a chinese inmate”… and the PM apologised there too. And now Mukhriz states what is obvious, like a doctor announcing his discovery of a source of malignant tumour… and they want him to feel guilty and apologise? What HAVE we all done that makes us deserve this … low stooping?

Wake up, pribumis! You have all been psycho’ed!!

So yes, here’s where we start: bark, nay … ROAR with the loudest voice we can whenever anybody tries to pull a GarrisonKeillorsMother act on us. After all, we ARE talking about Harimau Terbangkit, aren't we? For every ludicrous call to apologise whenever we say things that are within our rights, ROAR ten times or more louder. As a start too, let’s re-instate YB Ahmad. He had done no wrong, said no error. Anyone doesn’t like his views? Then refute him academically. Present both your historical or anthroplogical facts. If he is wrong… so what? Another erroneous historical trimmings is what it is. For all intents and purposes, I don’t recall YB Ahmad CALLING to do anything onto the non-pribumis.

Secondly, the more we are harped upon pribumi issues like Ketuanan Melayu, the louder our voice should be to RE-AFFIRM said issue. Again, am not calling for anything here, just calling for the understanding of the true meaning of Ketuanan Melayu. The blog “Dari Kacamata Melayu” http://pesanan-pesanan.blogspot.com has an excellent posting regarding this terminology as propounded by Tan Sri Abdullah Ahmad in a speech in Singapore in 1986, but I doubt that
opponents of this concept will ever take the initiative to read that piece, what with the blog master’s insistence that he only accepts comments in Bahasa Kebangsaan. Anyway for a sliced-crosswise version of the concept of Ketuanan Melayu, I have written a similar posting entitled “The Hitchhiker’s guide to Ketuanan Melayu” in the recent http://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com .

Another "popular" notion amongst the vernacular opportunists is this: government schools are "substandards". Vernacular schools are "better standards".

Phooey! What justifies this ... askewed view? Is it quantified? From which research did this come from? Not excellent? From what kind of education did the SATDs, the Tom Dalyells, the LawyerKampungs, the Denone's and the various others here come from. From pondok shools? I doubt that KijangMas studied in SRJK(C) Pasir Mah and proceeded to Beijing University. Did Jebat go to Chennai College learning economics in Singhalese or whatever? (err... did you, Jebat?). And if really the (C)'s and (T)'s are so much excellent, which Nobel Laureate have they produced, which of them alumnis are now real Malaysian patriots? If anything, echoing KijangMas, it is the night BotakChins who take up daytime jobs in "Kin Lian Auto Repairs" that are most likely the outcome of this circumferentially-closed, super-parochial, non-integrative, Mao-worshipping, malay-hating vernaculars.

Dato' Mukhriz's suggestion make sooo much sense. Have ONE type of school education system based on the premise of National Unity via Language. At the same time, WAJIBKAN the teaching of mother-tongue languages to students from non-malay backgrounds. Even this way, those who wish to learn Mandarin or Tamil as an extra language will just hop in to the next class to do so.

But do the detractors see it that way? Nooooo. They see it as a way to ... again, psycho the malays to become apologetic!

Yes, folks, Let's do something.

Apocryphalist

KS Cheah said...

As a Malaysian Chinese I am disgusted when I meet young Malaysian Chinese who only speak Mandarin. These are probably the dregs (yes, the Chinese community does have them too) but the majority of Chinese school products speak at least functional Bahasa Malaysia.

However, I am even more sad when I meet Malay youths who speak nothing else but Bahasa Malaysia. These are products of National schools where the teachers (also products of National schools) cannot even speak English properly. The vicious cycle goes on. Somehow I get the feeling that their opportunity for learning new things (after leaving school) becomes more restricted compared to their Chinese counterpart from Chinese schools.

It is both naive and narrow-minded to pin the polarization tail on the language donkey.

Why are there thousands of Malay kids enrolled in Chinese schools? Do their parents know something we don't? Is it because of the higher academic standards?

I did not agree with Kijangmas' simplistic and narrow arguments in his long rant earlier about language being the main cause of racial polarization. In this extension to the previous post he has again failed to realize the greatest cause of racial polarization in our country - religion.

Anonymous said...

A Malay and Muslim student in Malaysia will have to attend extra afternoon classes to learn to read the Quran. Following the model of the Sekolah Ugama in Johor, we now have formal Quran reading lessons that combine other important disciplines in Islam. At the same time, the non-Muslim children get to attend the extra private tuition or to pursue other interests or simply finishing their homeworks.

The existing practice in itself puts the Malay and Muslim children in a disadvantaged position. Just as the chinese parents place high importance on the ability of their children to be able to speak mandarin and read the chinese character it is equally important for the Muslim parents to ensure that their children are able to recite the Quran in a correct and proper way.

The solution lies in one single system with allowance for certain number of hours in a week for the Muslim children to attend Quranic lessons. The chinese student may attend Mandarin lessons and the indians can opt to attend Tamil classes (understandably the decision to practically close down the vernacular Mandarin and Tamil schools is by no means a small one to make.) So Mandarin and Tamil lessons are afforded reasonable number of hours in a week for those who want to pursue them. For lack of a better term, the schooling system will remain secular with emphasis on Science and Mathematics (which will remain to be taught in English).

The officials in the Ministry will have to conduct indepth study and decide on the details like the number of hours to be allocated for Quranic/Mandarin/Tamil classes. This is just a general proposal. It can and has to be further refined.

Anonymous said...

Kijangmas,

Good to have you back. Your no holds barred post testifies to your own testicular fortitude.

Agree that vernacular schools are much to blame for racial polarisation. I have been practising as a doctor for 20 years now, and among my patients I have definitely noticed this 'estrangement' if you like, of SRJKC people. At least among the older crowd I can still use pasar Malay or Manglish, but the young ones give me blank stares, unless I revert to pidgin Hokkien or Cantonese. Mandarin is beyond me. These kids dont even know the Malay or English word for year, week, month, day..the list goes on. Nowadays the young children - as young as 12, have also become arrogant and chauvinistic, many refusing to speak English or Malay to me even though their parents insist that they know it. Some have downright told me that they will only speak Mandarin. (My nurse interprets).I can take it or leave it. Their embarrassed parents usually end up apologising profusely.

On the other hand, among my Chinese friends, many say that they choose Chinese schools not just for language learning, but because the quality of education in national schools has deteriorated so much. And I do agree with them. I see it in my own children's schools, so much so that like many people who can afford it, I am choosing to send my younger children to private schools.

Sometimes the national schools are also so overtly 'Malay' or 'Islamic' in their teachers' attitudes that it scares the others. These are very real concerns that the govt needs to address if we want to get rid of vernacular schools. In fact i think we will never be able to get rid of vernacular schools, they will continue to exist in one form or another; as Chinese educationists and politicians will defend them to the death.
So maybe a more workable solution would be to strengthen the national schools, and improve the quality of education, so that people will want to send their children to these schools. After all, they had no qualms about national schools in the 60's, 70's and early 80's.
This will take decades and require strong political will. Does Najib, Mukhriz or UMNO still have it?

Malaysian Tigress said...

Sulaiman,

They may get loads of A's, but have you ever heard/seen how they communicate? In sms language? Many struggle to get jobs because they cannot communicate effectively, nor can they translate what they learned (or memorised) at school/universities into the real world.

Getting straight A's is not the end all. Kids need to be taught living/people skills, how to apply what they learnt, how to communicate effectively,how think out of the box and look at the larger picture of the world around them. We need more field study, and promote experiencing as a way of learning rather than just enslaving kids to the desks and force feeding facts and figures down their throats.

We need kids who can think, solve problems, be proactive,inquisitive and not be afraid to speak or ask questions.

Learning is a life-long process. Many kids are growing up to loathe learning because it has become simply too tedious and stressful and boring.

Anonymous said...

Kijangmas,
I have one neighbour whose son excelled in all examinations, even with A for English. Vernacular school all through and graduated in Electronics computer Engineering from one very prestigious University in Beijing.

Been in and out of so many Chinese companies, Penang, PJ, Kulim, PJ and now back again in Penang. In out just within these last 3years. Having so much difficulty to find THE DESIRED EMPLOYMENT. Not able to get THE job satisfaction and salary offered below expectation for his qualification.

Intel Penang took him on probation for a year, however, was not selected/offered for permanent employment. English communications problem.

He understands English, can write well, but GUGUP GAGAP to get SIMPLE points out when it involved conversations.

Bahasa Malaysia, speaks like a 3year old, not even Bahasa Rojak, totally out, KAPUT!!

Pressure was from parents who with such high HOPES on "China soon becoming the World's economic mover", thinking that the son will benefit HEAVEN from this MAGIC WORD.

However, during his 3rd year, parents realized their mistake,felt that he should have studied in INDIA instead, now FANTASING "India soon becoming the most powerful World's bla bla...

KijangMas, anything/feedbacks you need me to ask from them? I can discuss very openly with them (seeee, I help them with all their BANKINGS, EPF and IRD BM/BI correspondences).

I LOVE MALAYSIA

Ridzzy said...

This is good and I hope other non malays like myself would take this matter seriously, especially the politicians if they are really concerned with forging a Bangsa Malaysia. We cannot after 51 years allow segregation at national level to continue within an institution as important as education. The very foundation of the future.
I come from one of the higher ranked national schools within the district and state. A proud product of SRK & SM Taman Melawati, we led the way in academics and sports (Cochrane ..who? ;-) ) in my time and I’m sure they are still doing pretty well now. To me this school should be the model for other national schools. We have produced professionals and corporate movers & shakers of different races, and the networking based on friendship of all races has carried on right until our working life even 20 years after leaving school.

However, as proud as I am a product of our national school, I do see some things that need to be looked into even if vernacular schools are to be abolished. One thing for sure, in my opinion is the separation during secondary education. This to me is a speed bump to the aspiration. Classmates who grew up with you from primary 1 and with academic performance on par with yours being hand picked and are separated to move on to Asrama Penuh, MRSM etc after their standard six exams and some after the form 3 exams. Of course there is also the issue of undergraduate higher education and its pre requisites.

I think you have said it before somewhere; that you agree, this academic estrangement is an issue that needs to be tackled carefully as it involves a bigger picture within the NEP. Maybe you can throw some ideas later on how we can solve this issue.
It won’t be easy, just like the task to abolish vernacular schools but I feel is equally important in our sincere efforts to forge a Bangsa Malaysia.

Anonymous said...

Demi Negara,
i'v been wondering when someone either malay or non-malay gonna say something about this vernacular school. Kudos to Mukhris.

I remember in the 80s, im from sekolah kebangsaan and we have tons of chinese, indians and eurasians in our class, we have never treated them like strangers and we shared things like friends. Played as friends, ate like friends and studied like friends, and even went home walking together like friends. No prejudice, no question asked. We cried when we were leaving the school in standard 6 as we went to different schools after that. Again, we cried as friends.

I don't understand where this disparity that the anti-malay communities are talking about. I bet they are the production of vernacular school themselves and never experience the joy of sekolah kebangsaan.

Like what Jebat Must Die wrote in his blog, 'demand this, demand that...', it's kinda funny that the MINORITY wants to segregate themselves from the MAJORITY. Other races around the world are fighting AGAINST segregation and yet, non-malays in Malaysia are fighting for SEGREGATION?

Apa ni, kata nak Malaysian Malaysia?

Nonpartisan73

Apocryphalist said...

Kijangmas,

Testicular ... throbbing ... prickly. And here I was erroneously thinking that Malaysian Tigress would like to jump off a sinking ship because she wanted to seek greener pastures. Sigh ....

Apo

Anonymous said...

Oi Anonymous December 5, 2008 5:52 AM. LipanBera mengapa saya ini semestinya penyokong SRJK (C). Adakah awak pernah memikir bahawa ada ramai penduduk Malaysia bukan Melayu yang sedang berusaha untuk menguasai BM. Inilah otak orang Melayu yang telah dirosakkan oleh sistem pendidikan UMNO. Mampuslah UMNO.

Dato' Bendahara said...

You're moderating your comments ala Malaysia Today... ini hanya blog syok sendiri... boleh blah...

Anonymous said...

Something should be done now, if not, instead of singing 'Don't cry for me Argentina', we'll be singing 'Don't cry for me MALAYSIA' ...

Jane Doe

Malaysian Tigress said...

Apo,

Have you got something you would like to say to me?

I think you can say it directly? Tak paham orang pandai2 macam Apo punya joke ni. Did I miss something here?

Thank you!

Ridzzy said...

..and another thing, this blog post gives us the platform to argue our case from either side in a mature manner.

kijangmas, would it be better to filter out comments from creatures that belong in Tolkien's Middle earth..?

Tam Dalyell said...

Apocryphalist I have never seen this side of you before. This wickedly-humorous side.

You roar with laughter with one side of your face yet snarl tiger shark style with the other side.

You know ... that kind of silent snarl that one can see and hear even in the dark. (How do one does that I wander)

Now, how do I expect me to react. With love or fear?

I don’t know the others, but I love you more than fear you. 51% love + 49% fear = 101% respect.

We small fish feel safe around the like of you and KijangMas. It makes our merry-making feel noble and dignified.

Most happy to ‘see’ you again after years of ‘absence’.

Tam Dalyell said...

Sekolah Vernavular Tidak Releven..

Berikut adalah sebab-sebab tambahan. Sila tambah bahas atau bantah.

1] Tiada negara di dunia yang memengamalkan sistem pendidikan berasaskan etnik.

2] Anak-anak tidak didedahkan untuk berintergrasi antara kaum sejak awal dunia persekolahannya.

3] Anak-anak merasakan berbeza dan terasing dari kaum lain sejak muda lagi. Apabila remaja, jadi terbiasa dengan keadaan terasing. Akibatnya tidak selesa untuk berinteraksi dan berintergrasi dengan majority lainnya.

4] Menebalkan semangat perkauman. Inilah manifastasinya dalam senario socio-politik Negara hari ini. Ahli pakatan BN bercakaran sesamaa sendiri kerana kepentingan politik. Begitu juga antara ahli pakatan PR. Yang rugi ialah rakyat.

5] Mencabuli Keluhuran Perlembagaan. Ahli undang-undang dipersilakan.

6] Agen kerenggangan atau disunity terbesar. Penyumbang terbesar kepada mesaalah ‘kedinginan perhubungan’ adalah sistem pendidikan dwi-aliran ini.

7] Kepentingan sempit ... hanya untuk memancing undi. Sebabnya pihak minoriti berkeras mengekalkan sistem berasingan adalah kaisu sempit dan memancing undi.

8] Cadangan Jawatankuasa Barnes (1950). Sebelum merdeka lagi cadangan ini sudah diutarakan. Ia terbantut kerana ‘vested’ interest?

9] Cadangan Penyata Razak (1956)... "unify students from all races with one education system that covers all races. We are of the opinion that to carry this out, we need to integrate the syllabus of all schools."

10] Cadangan Laporan Rahman Talib (1960). Laporan ini mengulangi cadangan dua Laporan sebelumnya.

11] Sudah 52 tahun. Tidak boleh tunggu lagi. Kepentingan majority, kepentingan Negara sudah diketepikan selama setengah abad demi menjaga perasaan kepentingan minority. Itu sudah lebih dari memadai.

12] Supaya gererasi hadapan tidak mewarisi kepincangan yang kita alami sekarang. Kepincangan yang semakin hari semakin parah kerana kaum minority sekolah vernacular ini mula menuntut seolah-olah haknya benar wujud di atas hak majority dan nasional.

Bagaimana urusannya nanti jika kaum peribumi Sabah Serawak menuntut demikian juga.

Padahal mereka adalah lebih berhak disisi perlembagaan dari SRJKC&T.

13] Kepentingan anak digadai semata-mata kerana kepentingan politik perkauman. Perkiraan jangka pendek ini dijuangkan untuk panjang kekal. Kecerdikan yang dangkal.

14] Mensentiasakan tidur sebantal, mimpi lain-lain. Sangsi dan buruk sangka terpendam. Racun maanawi ini langsung tidak boleh dijadikan ramuan “Malaysian Cake”.

15] Persekitaran vernavular paling tidak sehat bagi mewujudkan generasi mesra-Bangsa-Malaysia. Sebab utama ialah suasana keterasingan dan “keakuan” mengalahkan perjuangan “kekitaan.”

16] Melahirhan polarisasi dan memudahkan tercetusnya salah faham dan pertelingkahan tidak berkesudahan. Sudah pasti, kerana perhubungan lisan sahaja sudah tersekat-sekat. Apa lagi hubungan ‘gunung sama didaki, lurah sama dituruni’ atau hubungan ‘hati kuman sama dicecah kati gajah sama dilapah’ dan sama susah sama senang.

17] Penghalang usaha mengeratkan perpaduan kaum. Bagaimana hendak erat sedangkan hendak memahami sesame sendiri dikelabui oleh prejudis dan kesangsian.

18] Tidak membantu mengenai memartabatkan status Bahasa Melayu dan integrasi. Dalam lain perkataan ia membolehkan kaum Cina dan India tidak terlibat dalam memartabatkan Bahasa Melayu dan integrasi. Seolah-olah mereka memilih asimilasi?

19] Sistem Pendidikan Kebangsaan sekarang dikatakan hambar kerana kerajaan menggalakkan suburnya satu sistem pendidikan saingan yang berlawanan aspiraasi.

20] Kepentingan politik jangka pendek dan chauvinisma perkauman tidak boleh dibiarkan mengemudi halatuju Negara tercinta. Pengkaji sains politik lebih maklum perkara ini.

21] Mematikan langkah pertama daripada ribuan langkah menuju perpaduan sejati. Bermula tidak seiringan. Harapkan berakhir dengan nilai kongsisama? “shared values”?

22] Boleh berkongsi negara belum berkongsi sekolah. Tiada satu sen yang 99 tak jadi seringgit. Kerana nila setitik rosak susu sebelanga. Tetapi saya kira berkongsi negara itu tidak perlu kepada pengorbanan. Hendak utamakan Kepentingan Negara segi bahasa perlukan pengorbanan. Agaknya setengah orang rasa tak perlu berkorban. Minta boleh. Beri tak boleh.

23] Kewujudan sekolah vernacular bukan sahaja mengakibatkan berbilang aliran pendidikan yang menggalakkan polarisasi kaum dan membantutkan malahan menggagalkan usaha menyatupadukan rakyat.

24] Ia menyumbang kepada masalah hubungan kaum di negara ini.

25] Membolehkan rakyat tidak mendapat hak sama rata.

26] Ini adalah relic, warisan dan polisi pecah dan perintah peninggalan penjajah.

27] Dua system dan aliran pendidikan Negara bukan kemahuan majority penduduk Negara tercinta atas semua alasan di atas.

Eric said...

DM,

I cannot agree more. I have had the same disappointing experience you have had with UiTM degree and master holders.
Let's remove all these divisive institutions once and for all: vernacular schools, MARA, race-based NEP, BTN. We'll all better off.

Eric said...

And, of course, I forgot racist parties: UMNO, MCA, MIC.

Tarchornis said...

Thanks for your write up, Kijangemas. While I may not agree with some of the things you say, I really enjoy your site because it gives me a new point of view and challenges me to think.

Something as big as racial polarization is never caused by ONE big factor. It's always a combination of various smaller factors. Education. Economic opportunity. Religion. The issue is a lot of people don't seem to realize this and turn a blind eye to some of the factors (the ones that favor them), deny it's a cause and blame the other factors when they're all different roots contributing to the same poisonous tree.

Even worse, some of the "roots" feed and grow from the effects of the other "roots", creating a vicious cycle where one root cause blames another root cause and uses it as a justification for existing.

Discrimination in [X] due to discrimination in the [Y]. Further discrimination in the [X] in response to counteract the [Y] bias. Repeat repeat repeat. I'll leave it to you to fill in the variables for [X] and [Y]. NEP, private sector discrimination, uni intake, share quotas, what have you. It all goes. You can even swap them around.

Back to the topic, I do agree that the continued existence vernacular schools is indeed one of the factors, although not the only one.

While I don't trust politicians in general and have my reservations about his intentions, Mukhriz had a good point that was worth at least discussing. If the other political parties didn't agree they could have offered their take on how it could be carried out. But that would have been asking for too much, I suppose. Alas, he left too much unclear and himself open for attack in the way he put the idea forward, so it looks like that idea is being torpedoed and will be sunk for a while.

Unifying the education system alone wouldn't solve the issue, of course. It would be foolish to assume that just by doing that our racial problems would all magically go away. It's only one of the many root causes and you can't kill the tree by cutting off just one root. You'd need to get rid of the rest and that means doing away with other things as well.

But it would have been a step forward in the right direction. It would have been a good start and it could have been followed up with other steps like unifying the STPM and matriculation into one stream, removing the racial quotas and policies.

*sigh* The state of politics in the nation is getting ridiculous. It's no longer about the subject matter, it's about who said it. As long as the speaker is from the opposite camp (whether PR or BN), it's BAD, EVIL, RACIST AND WRONG!

It doesn't matter if one of them says something like 1+1=2, it seems. The other party will just jump up and object and make an issue out of it. When all else fails they ignore the point and scream about the constitution. It's very disheartening.

satD said...

Hi Apocryphalis...

Gua sekolah kampung je beb..

now only wanna join pondok....start mengaji again....

:)

KijangMas said...

Eric (December 6, 2008 7:23 AM)said:-
"And, of course, I forgot racist parties: UMNO, MCA, MIC."

Oh shucks Eric, how can you forget the mother of all racist parties: DAP.

Brian Barker said...

I think that minority languages require protection. The promulgation of English as the world's "lingua franca" is unethical and linguistically undemocratic. I add that I am a native English speaker!

Unethical because communication should be for all and not only for an educational or political elite. English is used, at an international level, in this way, now.

Undemocratic because minority languages are under attack worldwide due to the encroachment of majority ethnic languages. Even Mandarin Chinese is attempting to dominate as well, although not yet in Europe! The long-term solution must be found and a non-national language, which would place all ethnic languages on an equal footing is long overdue.

An interesting video can be seen at http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_YHALnLV9XU Professor Piron was a translator with the United Nations in Geneva.

The argument for Esperanto can be seen at http://www.lernu.net

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Oneofthesedays said...

Bros,

I think our Indian bros have no (or less of a) problem with closing down Indian schools. Our Chinese bros on the other hand...... definitely have different feelings on the issue.

Some people have to be saved from themselves. The government has to act now!

I don't consider myself a supporter of Mukriz but on this issue I have to say I support what he said.

ngnglee said...

My friend has a nephew in Subang, this little child has a good Malay friend. I know that they are very sincere to each other, they take good care and willing to help each other and share everything they have.

Skin colour and religion differences are not a barrier between these two little children.

But I'm actually worrying about their future. I start to think what will become of these two little good friends when they've grown up.

What will happen to them when they find out the society has differentiated them into bumiputera and non-bumiputera? They will then feel the distinction deeper and deeper when both of them start to entering school, later university/college, next coming out for work and later on buying properties.

What is the lesson they can learn from this differentiation? They will be able to see some people of their respective distinguished group fighting and arguing in the expense of each other for greater rights and bigger benefits--politically and economically.

The privilege/powerful few are the pushers for this differentiation and arguments, they used their social status to influence the people. They can also make used of education system, government body and mass media to spread their influence and finally institutionalized the racial distinction.

If these two little children have been influenced by the racial sentiment and start to focus on the differentiation, can they still maintain such kind of good relationship? Will them keep themselves apart and start to think about the benefit of their own community and view each other as the threat to their rights and benefits?

I afraid they will end up seeing the inter-ethnic relationship as a zero-sum game, either one will lose out, there could never be a win-win situation.

But I hope the two can learn something different when they grow up. I hope they can understand the meaning of human rights and that each one of us from the different skin colour group needs this. I hope they can learn to love and respect people, not only the one in their own group but extend it to the different group.

I believe if they are able to do this, the chances are both of them will be able to keep their relationship well. I can foreseen in the future when they have confronted with the divisive racial sentiment, they will be able to evaluate it in a more moderate and positive manner. They will be more tolerable and open to the confrontation; I think this is very helpful for them to sort the arguments out.

Let's assume these two little children do not influenced by the racial sentiment and are still able to treat each other as real good friend. Most probably the culture, religion and language differences wouldn't able to be a barrier and keeping them away but in return open them up for greater exposure to the various cultures and enrich their life experience.

Many people are talking about bangsa Malaysia. They can describe the outlook of their ideal bangsa Malaysia 'model', such as without vernacular school, without NEP, without MARA, everybody speak the same language and practicing the same culture and religion and so on...I think we are all too emphasize on the 'hardware' part of the bangsa Malaysia but forget to think about the 'software' part which is more important.

Do we really want to build a soulless bangsa Malaysia?

Sometimes when I think about the two little children, I believe bangsa Malaysia actually already existed. Each one of us is a member of the bangsa Malaysia since we are born, it just that we start to moving forward a divisive direction gradually and slowly until we totally lost our way.

I do not agree with Mukhriz Mahathir and KijangMas that vernacular school is the reason for racial polarization and threaten the socio-political stability. I mean it is not the only reason, if I have to make my stand clear.

I believe everything in the world is inter-related, there is an invisible chain to link every object (including life form) together into a 'chain-link' system, every member is working within the confined system and contribute to the growth of the system itself.

Our society setup is a divisive one, the government intends to divide the Rakyat into their own communal setting. This has set up the unique divisive 'chain-link' system environment, under this system each 'member' is there to perform the 'division' task and further strengthen the system.

Vernacular school is only a small part of the member in the system.

It is unwise to blame only a single member while ignoring the existence of the whole complex system.

From my observation, most of the time the Rakyat who are influenced by the divisive racial sentiment will tends to become more sensitive and emotional to the impact of the 'member' to their community. For example Malays blame vernacular school and non-Malays blame MARA.

Unfortunately they do not realized that by viewing this issue of the 'member' from their own divisive communal standpoint is fatal and will only further divide the society and then further strengthen the system, this is because they themselves have already become part of the 'member(s)' of the system.

And this is actually the mechanism of this unique divisive 'chain-link' system and how it works.

It is worth to point out that mono-race based political party like UMNO, MCA, MIC, PAS, Gerakan and DAP (although Gerakan and DAP are multiracial in nature but in reality only dominated by a single race) are the extremely efficient 'member' of this system.

When we have a complex divisive system at the first place, how to achieve a united bangsa Malaysia?

And now here is a big question, can we break this unhealthy divisive system (not only the several different members in it)? How can we do that?

Can we really do this?

I have some extra comment on the vernacular school issue. KijangMas's comments on the vernacular school is, in my opinion a little bit too narrow minded and he also tends to generalized the students of the vernacular school.

I myself is a product of vernacular school, I do not feel I'm less patriotic or a less Malaysian if compare to my Malay friends, the only weak point of me (brother this time you're right) is only my language, I'm rather weak in Bahasa Malaysia and the English. I have no problem in speaking these two languages but quite weak in the writing.

I can guarantee you the racial division is also happen even in the national school. The kids of different races are tending to group with their own people, how can this be happen? And under the 100% Malay dominated national school management system, if there are people who are influenced by the divisive racial sentiment, the chances of discrimination on the non-Malay students are very high.

And it does really happen; I think this is one of the major issues that the government needs to seriously look into if it wants to promote national school to the non-Malay community.

Malaysian Tigress wrote:

"Tunku had expressed doubts about the loyalty of the non-Malays to Malaya, and as a result, insisted that this be settled before they be granted citizenship. However, he also stated that "For those who love and feel they owe undivided loyalty to this country, we will welcome them as MALAYANS. They must truly be MALAYANS, and they will have the SAME rights and privileges as the Malays."

I remember I wrote to Tam Dalyell in one of my previous comments stated that each race, because of being separated, has their own idea of nation-building and different definition of various national issues.

Funny enough even the meaning of 'Malaysian', 'loyalty' and 'patriotism' is also interpreted differently by the Malays and non-Malays.

For the Malaysian Chinese, we show our loyalty and patriotism in a very direct way: contribute to the nation growth.

We will make sure we do not become the burden of the country and at the same time many of us spare some free time out to involve in social works to help the needy community and people. We will refrain from involving in criminal and always remind ourselves to be a law abiding citizens. We respect the Agong, the Federal Constitution, the national song, the national language, the national religion and the Rukunegara.

Of course there is a portion of Malaysian Chinese that gone wild and lost control, but please remember they cannot represent the whole Chinese community.

Sadly I know that there is also a small portion of the Malay community that does not agree with the Chinese way's of showing loyalty and patriotism. For them this is only a 'debt' of the Malaysian Chinese as the result of the Malays' granting them the citizenship. To further prove their loyalty and patriotism, the Malaysian Chinese need to embrace the Malay culture, language and religion.

I just want to tell them, loyalty and patriotism are only dedicated to the country itself, not any other race and community.

Anonymous said...

After 51 years, Malaysia is still 'debating' on which language to use in schools. What a waste of time ....Singapore must be laughing now because they are moving forward not 50 years backward.

..if only stricter policies were implemented with regards to 'assimilation' by 'aliens' to this TANAH TERCINTA - in education especially - ... we would not be having problems - like right now.

So, stop writing and 'talking' now folks, let's DO SOMETHING NOW...before we regret ...so that in 50 years time, our children, grandchildren etc will not condemn us for not doing anything ......(if ever Malaysia were to be divided into enclaves according to its peoples' races/languages)..

The likes of kijangmas, apocryphalist, tamdalywell, balan, omong, the bold anon etc should get together ...not in cyberspace but in the real world ..

zazaland
KESIAN MALAYSIA

Godisuno said...

Hairan... kenapa tuan rumah mengalah kepada tetamu. Mengapa tuan rumah perlu menggunakan bahasa tetamu? kenapa tuan rumah perlu memberikan rumahnya kepada tetamu? adakah tetamu diundang? atau datang tak berundang? mungkinkah ini adat Melayu? kera di hutan disusukan, anak di rumah mati kelaparan. Di manakah adat tetamu? menghina tuan rumah yang memberi perlindungan. Di mana adat tetamu? di beri betis mahukan paha. Mungkin tetamu patut bertandang ke rumah lain pula.

Kembara Politik said...

Dear KijangMas,

[You did it again!]

Thank God you found out that they are below par in bahasa Melayu. Based on my experience (dealing with some Chinese boys in car workshops), I found out that they are not even below par as you claimed. They can’t even say any single bahasa Melayu words at all! They can’t converse in bahasa Melayu. Their boss needs to instruct them in Mandarin or Hokkien (I don’t know which one). So to me, they are super-duper-below PAR. I thought they came from the Mainland but their boss denied and said that they can’t speak in bahasa Melayu because they are the products of Chinese schools. Not even a word. Just imagine how poor they are! Ah just look at our MPs and ADUNs debating in the Dewan. After 51 years Merdeka still speak like Chinese Mainland (Chinese Indon must be better than them I guess, sorry to say that, but that’s the truth). With that PELAT CINA PEKAT…..NO HOPE! The only solution we have is SEKOLAH SATU ALIRAN. Do we really fight for Anak Bangsa Malaysia? If YES, I think there is no objection from all of us. Dare to change? YES, this is the right moment for all of us – The True Anak Bangsa Malaysia. IF the answer is NO, then I know who you really are. You have shown us the true color of yours. So, color blind? Another joke of the day huh?

P/S: Selamat Hari Raya Aidiladha.

Tam Dalyell said...

ngnglee December 7, 2008 1:10 AM

Brother ngnglee, you sure you are the same ngnglee of our last encounter? Your feel is different .. flow of ideas more structured .. as if there is a somebody new behind the present comment. You sure you are the same ngnglee eh? Sure? Welcome back brother.

Yah, sure we care for those two friends. Both Malaysians. The Chinese boy grew up shaped by strange ideas imported from south of Selat Teberau. The Malay boy by the locals. Lets name them Cai and Dak. They went to different primary schools too when very young. One to SRJKC Tak Pai. The other to SRK Jln Dua. You agree that this cannot go on right? Let’s do something about it. Agreed.

Para 4. We have to work together ngnglee. For as you say here that their differences gets “deeper and deeper when both of them start to entering school, later university/college, next coming out for work and later on buying properties.”

Para 5) These two boys would learn different lessons through different syllabus. Cai will have poor command of Malay and English.
Ridhuan Tee Abdullah (http://pesanan-pesanan.blogspot.com/2008/12/ridhuan-tee-anggap-bangsanya-sengaja.html) says, “Kebanyakan pelajar vernakular tidak boleh berkomunikasi dalam bahasa Melayu, apatah lagi bahasa Inggeris. Akhirnya, mereka tidak bergaul dengan pelajar-pelajar Melayu dan seterusnya ketinggalan dalam pelajaran apabila sampai ke peringkat menengah.”

These boys are actually pawns on the chess board of “The privilege/powerful few” as you say. They are being manipulated. “The privilege/powerful few” are actually perusak bangsa, pengkhianat dan sebenar-benar musuh dalam selimut. Thanks for pointing them out ngnglee. Once you identify them, we will just send in our specila branch and throw them into the freezer.

Para 6. No the so called ‘institutionalized the racial distinction’ was institutionalized way back 1957 then, before merdeka. It was supposed to be a temporary measure. It was an understanding that the pendatang, i.e. the ‘other community’ if they keep their part of the bargain within a certain period, this ‘institutionalized the racial distinction’ can be dropped. Lee KY was very much agitated because of this. He called for Malaysian Malaysia and meritocracy, which DAP the brother of PAP calls for today, who colours and shape Cai’s mind. Yes DAP and the Chinese of PKR so hate the Malay and UMNO the champion of the Malays, that they made a vow they would never rest untill they wrestle control of this country and absorbs it into that small dot south of the border. Both of us ngnglee should work together to rid Malaysia of these PKR and DAP manace and save our country from destruction. We cannot have so called patriotic citizens to subvert our country. They are traitors. That what they are. They should be stripped and make to walk the plank. You are smiling. You agree then? Chelet.

Para 7. We can’t let them be “influenced by the racial sentiment”. We can’t let them break apart. We can’t let them as threat to each other. We can’t let them to only care for their own ethnicity. They must look after each other. They must love each other. Hence they must start practicing from very young. They must start their lives by going to the same school. They must go to Sekolah Kebangsaan in the morning. In the afternoon Cai goes to SRJKC and Dak goes to Sekolah Agama. Agreed then. Love you brother.

Para 8) I sooo agree with you that I rewrite your paragraph here. “But I hope the two can learn something different when they grow up. I hope they can understand the meaning of human rights and that each one of us from the different skin colour group needs this. I hope they can learn to love and respect people, not only the one in their own group but extend it to the different group.”

Para 9) Yeah. I believe you. They will “keep their relationship well”. Don’t worry ngnglee. After all they started their life well. They went to the same school. They ended in the same IPTA. They married each other’s sister. That’s the best of the best happily live forever after.

Para 11) You see? I tell you all is going to end well. After Cai and Dak married each others sisters, all Malaysians irrespective of colour or creed gave away each others’ brothers or sisters to each other, in five to ten years Malaysia is transformed into one big family of ipar duai, of uncles and unties, of super dads and super moms . . . until the might of love that emanate from them all and embraces all of Malaysia destroys all barriers the end result of which is “such as without vernacular school, without NEP, without MARA, everybody speak the same language and practicing the same culture and religion and so on . .” as you aptly put it. That would be utopian indeed. But if we powerfully will it, the sky is the limit.

But then why is your next question sound so sad? So full of doubts? As if you have lost your future by saying’ “Do we really want to build a soulless bangsa Malaysia?”

Para 13) Oh that. “. . it just that we start to moving forward a divisive direction gradually and slowly until we totally lost our way.” You said Ya. We, you and I made a bad start. So we make sure that all the Cais and the Daks and Dass not to move forward divisively as you say. We can start gently. Give ourselves 5 to 10 years.

Para 14) You don’t have to worry if you don’t agree with Mukhritz or Kijangmas. You have said it, “I mean it is not the only reason” and yes you have made your stand clear. So what’s the problem?

Para 15) Oh the link thing. . foot bone joint to the shin bone to the thigh bone to the hip bone thing.

Para 16) This is good. This is the order of nature thing. One leads to two to three to four to ... Nobody can go against nature. You are afraid the govt would rearrange this natural order. Nobody can go against nature ngnglee. Nobody is that powerful. Nobody can make the sun rises from the west. No one can even hold his breath for half and hour.

Para 19) What are you talking about ngnglee. We are now beyoud that. There’s no more vernacular or MARA. No more barriers. You are saying as if you want to recreate barriers. Am foaming in the mouth already layan your talk. Lets not repeat ourselves.

Para 20) Brother ngnglee. System are man-made. So strong man refuses to be re-made by man.

Para 21-24) You are repeating yourself like happy parrot or shorted robot. You are doubting your self. It can be done ngnglee. I am sure of it. Malaysians are good people. Only the cina-bukit and hindraf Indian have hidden agendas. Our special branch can deal with them. Don’t worry. Be patient. Take deep deep breath in out count ten yoga style. Calm yourself. Tell yourself you’re calm. That’s it. Atta boy.

Para 26) You are back to KijangMas again. Tell him off la. That he’s narrow minded, that he generalize & so on & so on. If so what can you do. Hit your head against the wall? You bodoh lah if you do that.

Para 27) But I remember you told me that you are lembek but not lembab. Iiiihhhh aku cium budak ni kang. Ko nak patriotic cam ne gi. Lembek tak laku sok asoka.

Para 28) Cam ne nak ada racial gi di skolah kebangsaan? Kan dah semua tinggalkan sekolah vernacular. Dari darjah satu lagi dah SK. Semua orang dah setuju latih tak pandang bulu tak pandang kulit. Ni ape ko ckp ni. Berleter cam keli sampok lak. Tau sampok. Kena hysteria hantu bisu.

Para 29) Sekarang yang ketakutan ni ko lah ye? Tak perlu takut. Setakat masuk melayu je tak kena potong. Lagi pun potong bagus apa. Bersih. Jangan susahlah. Sikit-sikit masaalah kerajaan tu kita tibia je. Ohhh. Yang ko takut ni, kalau ko yang kerja kerajaan. Kalau ko kerja jujur, siapa nak tibia.

Para 30) Ohhhohh pasal ni, "Tunku had expressed doubts about the loyalty of the non-Malays to Malaya, and as a result, insisted that this be settled before they be granted citizenship. However, he also stated that "For those who love and feel they owe undivided loyalty to this country, we will welcome them as MALAYANS. They must truly be MALAYANS, and they will have the SAME rights and privileges as the Malays." Benda ni ko tak jumpa kalau ko baca Azly ke, Farish ke, Bakri ke macam ko cakap dulu tu. Itu kesalahan Cina kominis tu. Ramai Cina lain sokong kominis. Pasal tu lah ketaatan Cina diragui. Sampai sekatang pun Cina masih diragui. Tambah-tambah ada tanda-tanda segolongan cina nak bawa Malaysia dalam pelukan Singapurn.
You said you don’t read much chedet. Now read chedet here http://test.chedet.com/che_det/2008/11/siew-sin-on-sino-malay-relatio.html. This one cerita sikit pasal sangsi-sangsi ni.

Para 31-32) Itu cerita lama. Ngnglee, kan kita dah sepakat nak bina Negara. Benda tu dah kita bahas bulan lepas dah. Dan kau pun kata kau faham. Bab tu Soi Lek dah sentuh juga selepas kamu.

Ginilah. Kamu baca disini.
(a) http://pesanan-pesanan.blogspot.com/2008/12/ridhuan-tee-anggap-bangsanya-sengaja.html
(b) http://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/the-hitchhikers-guide-to-ketuanan-melayu/

Enam tujuh peranggan terakhir pun perkara ulangan bagi kita. ngnglee saya tak boleh buat apa-apa untuk kamu. Apa yang keluar dari otak kamu saya tak mampu kawal atau ubah. Tak kan kamu suruh saya ubah otak kamu itu dengan tukar spare-part lain.

Aku nak cuti raya.

Anonymous said...

KijangMas,

Selamat Hari Raya Aidiladha.

Usaha dan pengorbanan mu dalam perjuangan mempertahankan HAK, kekuatan dan kedaulatan Bangsa kita, Bangsa Melayu...

... AKAN TETAP DIKENANG...

Salam sentiasa dari kami sekeluarga.

I LOVE MALAYSIA

Anonymous said...

Hi KijangMas,

Another satisfying post! I totally agree that vernacular schools must be abolished completely without any possibility of them reincarnating in any form whatsoever. Sure our county's education system is not perfect. Which country's is? But with one education system that integrates the syllabus of all schools we would be killing two birds with one stone – we would address the quality of our education and nip racial polarization in the bud. In effect, we would be improving our education system and promoting racial unity by having a single school system.

We could also at the same time, consider increasing the quotas of non-bumis in our boarding schools. When students eat, sleep, study and play together, they’ll inevitably form a bond that transcends race, religion and social status. Not only would racial unity be enhanced among these students, their competitiveness would also increase. And this can only be good for the country.

I really hope that the call for a single school system would gain momentum quickly and that those who can make it happen have the... ahem... “balls” to push for this change. It’s been long overdue.

In the meantime, Selamat Hari Raya Aidil Adha to all Muslims.


Pink Shades

Anonymous said...

Testicular fortitude to describe Mukhriz's extremely seditious outburst? Ha ha ha...this is only blatant lies desperately spun by paid UMNO cybertroopers like you deminegara, lies spun to please your UMNO bosses like Azalina and Reezal Marican. Everyone, yes including many Malays, know that Mukhriz is trying to outbid what his Madhatter father wrote in Malay Dilemma. And when cornered, Mukhriz tried to twist and turn, but the fact is cannot hide his true malicious intentions! In any other country, Mukhriz Botak would have been jailed for sedition many times over and also slapped with a hefty fine, but in bolehland, your UMNO masters is making use of people like you to glorify him! Go ahead and deny that your UMNO masters impose double standards in bolehland. The voters can already see through this and will whack them even harder in the next general election than on 8 Mar.

Despite all the spins and twists by you deminegara to paint the critics of your UMNO masters blacker than black, you cannot deny that all the corruption, cronyism, nepotism,racism and all the evil things they say about UMNO are true. As they say the proof of the pudding is in its eating, and even your most committed UMNO members will not deny that their party has led this once beautiful country down the abyss to the dogs and pigs! Continue with your malicious spins deminegara as you will only be preaching to the converted in your ilk, the kataks di bawah tempurung.

Anonymous said...

oneofthesedays,

saya setuju dengan pendapat awak. bangsa india lain sikit perangai dia orang ni..dalam bahasa malaysia saya rasa mereka lebih fasih dari bangsa cina dan mereka lebih mudah dan seronok di buat kawan dan di dampingi..cina yang bukan islam susah sikit..mereka merasa kekok dan janggal terutama yang bersekolah di aliran mereka..indians are more receptive but poltician mereka buasa lan..NAK HIDUP!!

ngnglee said...

Halo Tam Dalyell, nice to see you again, nak teh tarik ke teh O ais limau?

I'm still the ngnglee that you once know, the one that failed to meet your requirement to be a good sparring partner :D

I know that my standpoint is very very much different from most of the people here, including KijangMas and you, but this doesn't mean that we cannot talk. I think having disagreement is very normal, but in Malaysia if the disagreement is about racial issue, the people will have difficulty in the cross-ethnic communication.

This is why I hope my friend's nephew and her little Malay friend can stay cool and do not affected by the racial sentiment, only by this then they can think independently, be more open minded, more tolerable and more calm in dealing with the hot racial issues.

This is very important given that the races at the different end of our society are always having conflicted views, this can help them to find a suitable solution to the conflict.

You said "Nobody can go against nature. You are afraid the govt would rearrange this natural order. Nobody can go against nature"

You might have already misunderstood me, what I want to say is the divisive 'chain-link' system introduced by the British and the government is an unhealthy system. It might serve the British well in the colonial era and as the base in the early year after independence when the nation's own social engineering is still in the infant stage. But one thing for sure it is already outdated and no longer relevant nowadays.

Actually what I want is the government to rearrange or better abolish this unhealthy system. However this, for the moment and in the not far future is impossible because our government still needs to rely on this system to survive.

We should work together towards one bangsa Malaysia, this is a big task for the Malaysian; it means the task between Malays, Chinese, Indian and other minorities. It is impossible for each one of the racial community to comes out with its own version of bangsa Malaysia and request other community to follow suit.

I think each Malaysian is in stake and should involved in this task, so inter-ethnic communication is inevitable so that we can come out with an agreed version of bangsa Malaysia and everybody can work on it.

Let's face the reality, you believe national school can clear the racial polarization but I do not agree with this. Seems both of us have the conflict of opinion now, shall we discuss this issue further?

Samat said...

Malaysia - Unity in Diversity. Does it make sense? Diversity is so deeply entrenched in our life so much so that we even find it difficult to appreciate each other's presence.

I agree with Mukhriz. We must be brave and bold enough to put an end to all these "syak wasangka" between us.The best way is to nurture our Malaysian generation from a very young stage. Can the so called champions of each race sacrifice their ego and stubbornness?. These so called champions of their own races are definitely the "duri didalam daging" in our effort to create a Bangsa Malaysia where everybody will subscribe to a common denominator.

Its sad that after 50 years, we are still talking (and not discussing) about this issue.

Anonymous said...

Yes the school system is NOT the ONLY cause of the current state but it can be the first corrective step the Nation must take.

We must first ensure there exists a single mandatory school system for all children of Malaysia. Yes do take away the Sekolah Agama Rakyat and other vencular schools from the government program. The school can continue to exist if there are parents who still want to send their children in the evenings/weekends. I used to attend a separate Agama school in the evening where I wear the appropriate baju kurung and tudung. But during the Sekolah Kebangsaan hours I was running and jumping in the fields in appropriate shorts and house T-Shirts. So was my PE teacher!

Yes, lets support this move for One School system. It is our only chance to initiate a change. It will not be easy but it is a definite better option!

Sayangmalaysia

Anonymous said...

Lets just get it done, abolish vernacular schools. Let us all honestly work towards that. Vernacular schools were set up during British Occupation years because the British thought these coolies of them needed to be thought and kept abreast of their homeland culture and language so that they would not have any problem later when the Bristish send them back home. British realised thay they were 'pendatang's/coolies for the British and needed to be sent home after their services.

But now, they want to become Malaysian. So, talk like Malaysians. Act like Malaysians. Otherwise, send them back where they belong in the first place.

SkyForce said...

Hi everyone,

I believe most people do not understand the actual problems in racial issue.

Single school system is a good idea to strenghten national unity but is not going to solve racial issue.

You see, in this country rakyat are not differentiate by what language they speak or write. So far in history, I never heard anyone been killed because unable to speak Bahasa Melayu.

There are only two factors that cause racial issue:

1) Religion
It is just difficult for
Islam, Christian, Buddhist and
Hindus to live together without
any dispute.

2) Government Policies
It makes a lot of difference
whether you borned as Malays or
not. The difference will be
very significant if you borned
as UMNO Malays.

I am a product of sekolah kebangsaan. I love this country and her people. As far as 'national unity' concerned, I have no problem. I'm not the extreme racist but I am still racist.

SkyForce

Anonymous said...

"We must first ensure there exists a single mandatory school system for all children of Malaysia. Yes do take away the Sekolah Agama Rakyat and other vencular schools from the government program. The school can continue to exist if there are parents who still want to send their children in the evenings/weekends. I used to attend a separate Agama school in the evening where I wear the appropriate baju kurung and tudung. But during the Sekolah Kebangsaan hours I was running and jumping in the fields in appropriate shorts and house T-Shirts. So was my PE teacher!"

Do away with the sekolah agama rakyat?

NO WAYYY. You might be happy jumping around in shorts (appropriate?) after wearing tudung for agama classes, but I definitely do not want that for my kids. Islam and secularism are foreign to each other la beb.

Islam has a special place in this nation and that CANNOT be bargained or tampered with.

Sekolah kebangsaan, yes...but Islamic Schools are different.

Don't even think of messing with that.

Anon R Us

Tam Dalyell said...

SkyForce

1)
All religion teaches love
It’s the devil in man
Do instigate to hate

May be . . just maybe
SkyForce picked a javelin
To pick his tooth
Well balanced is he not.

2)
Chinese PKR and DAP
Tentacles from across border south
Unto them into stooges do reach
UMNO the last stumbling block
At all cost neutralize must
PAS successfully immobilized
Finishing tape almost breasted.

Mat Cendana said...

Assalamualaikum and Hello to KijangMas & everyone,

SUBJECT: Comment on Comments
I had read KijangMas' post from very early on, but it was quite hurriedly (was doing a few things all at once on the Internet - something called "multi-tasking" I think, which is NOT necessarily a good thing since it spreads you thin). Anyway, I'll read it a lot more carefully after this (if I'm not interrupted/distracted by something else).

I've also read all the comments here; and very carefully too for one unique reason. Unlike many (if not most) blogs where the comments are mostly crap with a few gems here and there, the "excellent" to "Ptui!" ratio here is a lot higher. The easy answer might be because this is a moderated blog. But then many blogs that are also moderated don't have this ratio; which means there are other reasons.

In my opinion, one important one is this - this blog is read by many really intelligent and classy people (yes, you folks can `terangkat' and `kembae idung' with this pronouncement... and I'm praising MYSELF too since I'm also a reader Haha! Smart of me, eh?) And this will likely increase in the near future if things continue like this, plus this blog is given the right publicity. This can come either from either being directly mentioned at the VERY high traffic blogs and sites like at CheDet.com, Rocky's Bru, Malaysia Today and Lim Kit Siang especially. Plus by the newspapers.

Anyway, I'd like to comment on the subject matter too. However, not right now (have to write some "cari makan" stuff first). So, as "buah tangan" of my visit, I'll just leave something on matters concerning the "commentators/readers".

Firstly, this is something that people here like Apocryphalist had lamented about - the difficulty of addressing the "Total Anonymous". To you folks who use "Anonymous", please-lah include a name at the end as your handle.

Better yet, instead of "Anonymous", use that name as your handle. I don't know how this should be a problem - even the field for "website" is optional. That means you can use other handles like "Super Anonymous", "Anonymous2" or "Anonymous Narcotics", since you like it so much. `Anonymous'-lah, not Narcotics.

But there are TRILLIONS of names and numbers (or combinations) other than "Anonymous", so why not use any one instead?...like: "Cendana266", "KijangKayu", "Ah Siong Cendana" (there was one - to differentiate from "Ah Siong Seraya" at Gambang circa March 06), "Annuar Meranti" (to avoid confusion with "Annuar Mamak" and "Annuar Cendana") [BTW former bank teller "Cendana266" Jaffar Gemuk, now 34, of Lanchang, Pahang was the very best in the whole of Gambang]

Anyway, back to the matter before I get carried away and digress big-time: I'd understand it if the commentators here are the "men of few words" kind who usually `reply' posts with something like: "Yes, I agree!" (and nothing else) or "HAHA! Good one!" (writing longer would have required a lot more than the 15 minutes of hard thinking already spent for these words).

But since you folks are in the category that easily manage to write a few paragraphs - and then some - *a bit* of extra effort to put a name - ANY name - shouldn't be a problem. I'm baffled that it apparently is!

Better still, why not register a handle at Blogspot/Blogger.com or for an "OpenID" (through Wordpress, for instance) and use this? There are a few good reasons. Firstly, it's free and takes only a few minutes - and you don't actually have to create a blog too just because you had registered a name.

The main reason is that it can help you "create a name" for yourself. Over time, when you leave comments at blogs, you become more known and have established some reputation (might also be "bad"; in which case it's better to abandon your handle of "Stony Bru" and get a new one). But if it's "good", and you get the itch to do so, then you'll get a headstart should you start your own blog - many people WILL visit it when you announce you have one, believe me.

Then there's the "anti-counterfeit" feature - others can't abuse your handle by leaving comments that you'd never make. For instance, should someone use "Sakmongkol AK47" here (or elsewhere) but without the Blogger logo on the left, there's reason to doubt whether he's the real thing.

Which is how I cleared up my feeling puzzled by the comment by Dato' Bendahara December 6, 2008 1:11 AM. I read the Hikayat Mamak Bendahara blog too, which is think is quite good. So, I was dumbfounded by the comment, which I feel is "somehow bangang". Then I noticed - there's NO Blogger icon to the name, while the HMB blog writer comments "with the chop mohor".

About some of the commentators: I'd like to mention that I like reading these comments - whether I agree or otherwise is not an issue at all. BUT they do help me gain more knowledge about some things. People like Apocryphalist, Tam Dalyell, BoldAnon, Ridzzy, zazaland, Godisuno, Pink Shades... etc

And these people too - THANKS, I appreciate "different opinions and angles": Tarchornis, KS Cheah, ngnglee

OF COURSE the great and opinionated Malaysian Tigress too!:-) Wonder why her comment was deleted? Huh, MT? BTW this is one of my friends at Facebook - and one who had introduced me to other interesting people (I'm a Facebook newbie lah)... seriously admirable and outstanding people who have contributed to a higher personal standard in some aspects of life, whom I otherwise might not have known in my lifetime.

But if anyone wishes to flame her here, go right ahead Haha!... she should accept stones thrown at her; just as she does. And with A CATAPULT too!:-)

KijangMas said...

A'kum Mat,

Thanks for dropping by and sharing your interesting observation of the Demi Negara community.

On your point: "OF COURSE the great and opinionated Malaysian Tigress too!:-) Wonder why her comment was deleted? Huh, MT?"

No. KijangMas would never delete post-moderated comments as it would be unfair to the Commenter whose argument/position would then be seriously handicapped and without context.

The Tigress has the tendency to later delete her own comments and this can be seen in her series of self-deleted comments in other Demi Negara postings as well.

Why?

I don't know.

First time it happened, I thought I had inadvertently deleted her comment and actually recovered it from the "garbage bin" and "pasted" it as part of my post. When it happened again and again, I asked the Tigress here and she replied here.

To Malaysian Tigress, I and I'm sure many here value your thoughts and opinions. But I would appreciate it if you refrain from deleting your own comments a couple of days later as the replies by others would be without context and this distrupts the "flow" of this community's interaction.

Mat, thanks again for visiting. You are observant and meticulous as usual.

Anonymous said...

Hiya KM,

Ni hao mah? Hope u had a well earned rest in touch with ‘nature’. Me? All ready to face the hard times ahead, kena jimat2 sedikit. MM got balls of mortals, but I must say, u, KM got balls of steel, but be careful, they can get rusty, if not look after well.

What’s all this fuss about? I tot variety is the spice of life. To each his own. I personally like to have a choice / preference / other options available to me in all matters including this language thingy.

Everyone’s difference mah, u like Mee Hailam, I like Mee Rebus, Apu (oops sorry Apo) likes Mee Goreng mamak, what’s the problem? Apu got hots for MT, coz same intellectual std; I’m infatuated with ZZ, coz of ditzy std.

I cannot understand lah what’s all the angst about? I personally don’t give a fcuk, if someone don’t speak the same language & just ignore me, so long as they don’t impede into my comfort zone.

I tell u young man; sometimes it’s better to have fewer friends (less problems mah). I treasure my privacy & very selective of the people I mix with.

There’s this thing call chemistry, sometimes I get along more with my malay friends than with my non malay friends, other time, vice versa, depends on what sort of activities we are into mah.

Anyway, that’s just me being silly.

Settle down, all u people. There are other more important matters to stress about!

Cheers,
Bus Unker Tommy.

PS- Mat, good one KijangKayu…hehe…I prefer KijangTaufufah!

BaitiBadarudin said...

Godisuno said...
Hairan... kenapa tuan rumah mengalah kepada tetamu. Mengapa tuan rumah perlu menggunakan bahasa tetamu? kenapa tuan rumah perlu memberikan rumahnya kepada tetamu? adakah tetamu diundang? atau datang tak berundang? mungkinkah ini adat Melayu? kera di hutan disusukan, anak di rumah mati kelaparan. Di manakah adat tetamu? menghina tuan rumah yang memberi perlindungan. Di mana adat tetamu? di beri betis mahukan paha. Mungkin tetamu patut bertandang ke rumah lain pula.
December 7, 2008 5:17 AM
Setuju. Bak kata KijangMas sebelum ini, tawarkan 'one way ticket' percuma untuk bertandang ke mana jua 'rumah' yang sering menjadi pujian dan pujaan mereka, samaada Sing-a-pore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, PRC atau India (semuanya 'developed power houses' belaka).

Malaysian Tigress said...
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Malaysian Tigress said...

Unker Yew said:
"I cannot understand lah what’s all the angst about? I personally don’t give a fcuk, if someone don’t speak the same language & just ignore me, so long as they don’t impede into my comfort zone."

YEAH.

The hallmark of the kiasu. I have many in my neighborhood...they only come to me when they have a problem that affects THEM and they say (through interpreters ie sonsor other neighbors) "I pay maintenance, why management don't do this or that for me"..and I tell them "so? I also pay what! And I don't work for you, you fool, I only volunteer to make our neighborhood a better place unlike you, so shut up and go back to your house,ah?")


We have a right to (privacy) and choice, yes (within limits...where got absolute freedom and choice in any country except if you go buy your own island...maybe Bikini Atoll is available). But in the bigger context of national unity and the common goals of nation building...you are so wrong la Unker.

Hey...maybe when the time comes and you shout the chinese word for PENCURI! TOLONG! or FIRE!...your Malay neighbours will simply think you are drunk or having noisy sex with Auntie Yew and shut their windows and go back to their comfort zones, watching Aznil make a fool outta himself...

(Apo, sorry ah...misunderstanding...prickly, what can I say)

Malaysian Tigress said...

Skyforce, Other religions are never an issue for an Islamic state... (but mention Islamic state and its OUT WITH THE CROSSES AND GARLIC AND MUSLIM LIBERALS (i prefer the "liberally stupid" but that would be politically incorrect)...):

Non-Muslims in Muslim Societies: Contemporary Ijtihad
The Rights of Non-Muslims in Society: A Reading of Al-Qaradawi Thought
(Book Review)

By Mass`oud Sabri **


December 5, 2005

Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi is among the most prominent Islamic figures who expressed early interest in the issue of the rights of non-Muslims in Muslim societies. Al-Qaradawi’s views on this topic are particularly important because of his academic and scholarly background, which indicates that his thoughts are directly an extension of jurisprudential proofs.

Following are the most important rights deduced by Al-Qaradawi from his studies of religious texts and scholarly commentaries, from his important book on the subject Ghayr al-Muslmein fi el-Mujtama` al-Islami; Wahbah Pub., Cairo, 1997. This review is based on this work.

The Right of Protection

In Islam, the primary right of the People of the Book is to be protected and safeguarded against any foreign aggression, and Muslims are compelled to protect them in the event such a transgression falls against them. Al-Qaradawi bases his standpoint about this on jurisprudential texts and the position of Imam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) while speaking to Qultoo Shah—a Tartar—regarding the freeing of prisoners of war (POWs). Qultoo Shah agreed to set Muslim POWs free upon Ibn Taymiah’s request; however, the latter insisted that Christian POWs be released with the Muslims, which was what happened in the end. This stand by IbnTaymiyah reflects the perspective of jurisprudence on the subject of the right to external protection.

The Muslim state must also defend minorities against internal injustice or oppression, such that they cannot be subject to any form of wrongdoing by the state or its sponsors; and overlapping evidence from the Qur’an and the Sunnah clearly prohibits any sort of injustice against noncombatant non-Muslims living peacefully within a Muslim state. To this effect, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was reported to have said, “He who unfairly treats a non-Muslim who keeps a peace treaty with Muslims, or undermines his rights, or burdens him beyond his capacity, or takes something from him without his consent; then I am his opponent on the Day of Judgment” (Abu Dawud and Al-Bayhaqi). He (peace and blessings be upon him) is also reported to have said, “He who harms a non-Muslim who keeps a peace treaty with Muslims has harmed me, and he who harms me has harmed Allah” (At-Tabarani in Al-Awsat with a good chain of transmission).

Not only was this the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) on the issue, but the Rightly Guided Caliphs also practiced this, with several authentic incidents to this effect reported by `Umar ibn Al-Khattab and `Ali ibn Abi Talib.

Types of Protection

Protection of body and blood. Al-Qaradawi asserts the consensus among scholars to protect the blood of non-Muslim minorities living within a Muslim state, and he explains that violating their blood is considered one of the gravest of sins. This is due to the hadith by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): “He who kills a non-Muslim who keeps a peace treaty with the Muslims will not smell the scent of Heaven, though its scent can be traced to as far as a march of 40 years” (Imam Ahmad and Al-Bukhari in Al-Jizyah, among others).

Although scholars have differed over the issue of exchanging the life of a Muslim for that of a Dhimmi (a noncombatant non-Muslim who keeps a peace treaty with the Muslims and lives within a Muslim society), yet Al-Qaradawi sides with the opinion that says a Muslim can be killed if he wrongfully murders a Dhimmi with no right. He founds his view on this matter on texts from the Qur’an and the Sunnah that underline the principle of retribution and reprisal (qisaas).

This was also the view endorsed and exercised by the Ottoman caliphate in all the regions and provinces falling under its jurisdiction for centuries, until the Muslim empire fell prey to its enemies and was knocked down.

Protection of Money and Property. This principle has been unanimously agreed upon among all Muslims of all sects throughout history.

Moreover, Islam regards whatever property or money considered by non-Muslims as valuables—according to their faiths—and pledges to protect them, even if they pose no real value to Muslims.

Liquor and swine are an example of this, where they cannot be considered as money to Muslims; and if a Muslim squanders or spoils such property of another Muslim, he could not be called upon for compensation; yet if a Muslim spoils such assets belonging to a non-Muslim, he would be responsible for compensation, according to Imam Abu Hanifah.

Protection of Honor. The honor of Dhimmis is sacred in Islam, similar to that of Muslims. Imam Al-Qarafi Al-Maliki once said on this note, “He who transgresses against them (Dhimmis)—even with a mere word of injustice or backtalk— has jeopardized the covenant with Allah and His Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and the covenant of the religion of Islam” (Al-Furuq Part 3, p. 14). Moreover, there exist abundant additional texts to the same effect.

Social Welfare Against Disability, Old Age, and Poverty

Islam guarantees non-Muslims living under its societal umbrella their necessary welfare benefits, which enables them to live decently and support those they sponsor, since they are considered among the Muslim state’s subjects or citizens. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was reported to have said, “You are all sponsors and (thus) responsible for those you sponsor” (Ibn `Umar).

The Rightly Guided Caliphs and those who succeeded them continued to implement these policies towards non-Muslims living within the Muslim community. During the caliphate of Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him), Khalid ibn Al-Waleed sent a letter to the non-Muslim population of Al-Hira in Iraq at the time, assuring them that none of their rights were to be undermined by the Muslim army’s procession in their direction. `Umar ibn Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) was also reported to have seen a senile Jewish man asking for alms, and hence took him to the treasury and authorized a monthly pension for him and the likes of him. By this, Abu Bakr and `Umar had jointly formulated a social welfare legislation for Muslims as well as non-Muslims, which was then unanimously picked up by all Islamic sects.

The Right to Freedom of Belief

Additionally, Islam does not force Dhimmis to embrace Islam and recognizes their freedom to choose their own faith. This freedom is stressed in the following Qur’anic verses: [Let there be no compulsion in religion: truth stands out clear from error] (Al-Baqarah 2:256) and [Wilt thou (Muhammad) then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!] (Yunus 10:99). History does not deny this fact about Islam, nor do Westerners.

Islam, throughout history, has safeguarded and protected houses of worship for non-Muslims and sanctified their religious rituals. When the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) wrote the peace treaty to the people of Najran, he asserted to them that they should receive the protection of Allah and His Prophet on their property, faith, and choices. Similarly, `Umar’s letter to the people of Iliya in Palestine, upon the Muslim conquest, promised them the liberty to choose the faith they deemed appropriate; in addition there are analogous accounts attributed to Khalid ibn Al-Waleed.

Permitting non-Muslims to build their own houses of worship in towns mainly populated by Muslims also falls under this scope, where early in Muslim history several churches were built in Egypt during the first Hijri century. An example of this is the construction of the Mar Marcus Church in Alexandria (between AH 39 and 56), and the construction of the first church in Fustat in the Roman Alley during the reign of Maslamah ibn Mikhled (between the years AH 47 and 68). Ruler Abdul `Aziz ibn Marwan also authorized constructing a church in Helwan while founding the city, besides allowing a number of bishops to erect hermitage cells.

Historian Al-Maqrizi once said, “All modern day Cairo churches were undoubtedly restored in Islam.”

As for the villages and areas which are not considered among the Muslim provinces, non-Muslims were not repressed against practicing and illustrating their religious rituals, including the renovation of old churches and cathedrals, and were free to expand building such houses of worship as their population grew.

This form of religious tolerance is strictly a bread of Islam, as the infamous French scholar Gustave Le Bon once said (as al-Qaradawi quotes him in his book),

From the verses of the Qur’an we previously mentioned, we find that Muhammad’s forgiveness towards the Jews and the Christians was ultimately phenomenal; and such tolerance was unprecedented by the founders of other religions, such as Judaism and Christianity in particular. We shall also see how his successors followed in his footsteps on this path.

Other Europeans also paralleled such discourse, such as Robertson and others.

The Right to Work and Earn Profits

Islam has guaranteed to non-Muslims living under its umbrella the right to engage in any form of commercial activities, including buying, selling, leasing, and otherwise, with the exception of exercising riba (taking interest on loans, etc.). This rule was derived from a letter from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to the Magians of Hajar, where he said, “You may choose between neglecting riba or facing war with Allah and His Prophet.” The selling of liquor and swine in Muslim provinces are also to be added to the list of the impermissible; otherwise, non-Muslims may practice any form of commercial activities.

Adam Mitz, as al-Qaradawi sites, once said

Islamic jurisprudence does not forbid Dhimmis from entering any field of labor they choose, and they were well-established in trades which yield large profits; excelling as bankers, landlords, and doctors. Moreover, they managed to organize themselves, such that the most prominent bankers in the Levant (Syrian and Palestine) were Jews, whilst the best physicians and writers were Christians, and the chief of the Christian population in Baghdad was the caliph’s personal doctor, as the caliph also gathered in his court the chiefs and heads of the Jewish population.

The Right to Occupy State Ranks

Islam did not prohibit Dhimmis from occupying state positions, since it perceived them as an integral part of the state fabric. Islam also did not encourage their isolation, and the People of the Book were allowed to join all offices apart from those marked with a religious trait; for example, the imamate, leadership of the state and the army, judge of disputes between Muslims, administrator of the dispensing of charity and alms.

The imamate, or caliphate, is a senior leading position in both the mundane world and the religious, a succession of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him); and, obviously, such ranks could not be open to non-Muslims.

Similarly, the leadership of the army cannot be considered a purely civil duty, since it is strongly related with jihad, which tops the ladder of Islamic duties.

Moreover, the judiciary is operated through Islamic jurisprudence, and non-Muslims cannot be asked to carry out the rules of a doctrine they do not believe in.

The guardianship over alms and charity also falls under the scope of Islamic duties and logically could not be entrusted to the disposal of the non-Muslim minority within the Muslim state.

Other than the above, all state offices were always open to Dhimmis on condition that they fulfilled the necessary requirements and prerequisites for the positions applied for; that is, integrity, honesty, and loyalty to the state. This is to assure that these sensitive posts be entrusted to faithful individuals, other than those Muslims are warned against in the following verse: [O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: they will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: what their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom] (Aal `Imran 3:118).

Imam Al-Mawardi even authorized Dhimmis to undertake executive ministries rather than delegate ministries. Executive ministers are those who implement and execute the imam’s orders.

Conversely, delegate ministries are those which the imam entrusts to the minister to devise certain political, administrative, and economic matters according to his own personal judgment.

During the Abbasid era, Christians undertook the ministry more than once; for example, Nasr ibn Haroun in AH 369 and Eissa ibn Nastorus in AH 380. Mu`awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan had also appointed a Christian clerk named Sarjoun.

Perhaps Muslim tolerance in this regard was sometimes taken too far, where at some instances, the rights of Muslims themselves were undermined and some skeptics complained about the undeserved prestigious authority of Jews and Christians above them.

Western historian Adam Mitz says in his book Islamic Civilization in the Fourth Hijri Century, “We find it very surprising the abundance of non-Muslim laborers and senior staff within the Muslim state; where Christians governed Muslims in Muslim provinces, and complaints against non-Muslims’ seniority in these provinces dates far back” (part 1, p. 105).

Prophetic Recommendations Particularly for Egyptian Copts

Al-Qaradawi finds that Egyptian Copts in particular have a distinguished position among other non-Muslim minorities, given the prophetic narrations to that effect. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was reported to have said on his deathbed, “By Allah, respect the Copts of Egypt, for you shall conquer them, and they shall be your supporters in the cause of Allah” (At-Tabarani).

In another hadith, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Treat them well, for they are an asset to you and a warning against your enemies by the Will of Allah.” Reference here is made to Egyptian Copts (Ibn Hibban).

Historical reality has lived up to the Prophet’s prophecies, where Egyptian Copts welcomed the Muslim conquerors, who saved them from the persecution they suffered under the Romans, who had taken up another sect of Christianity. The Copts started entering Islam in large numbers, to the extent that some rulers of the Umayyad dynasty mistakenly enforced the jizyah among some Copts who had already embraced Islam.

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) attributed certain rights to Egyptian Copts that he did not grant to other minorities, where Ka`b ibn Malik narrates from the Prophet, “If Egypt is conquered, treat the Copts with dignity, for they have a blood relation with us.” Connotation is made here to the mother of the Prophet Isma`il, Hajar, who was an Egyptian (Reported by At-Tabarani and Al-Hakim).

Loyalty Guarantees

Moreover, Islam adds to the rights of minorities by laying down a number of guarantees to live up to these rights. Among the most important of these is the right to believe. Such rights are clearly defined in the Qur’an and the Prophetic Sunnah, and their practice falls under the correct practice of Islam.

These rights are also protected by the Muslim society, which is founded on accurate implementation of Islamic jurisprudence, including the rights of the People of the Book according to Islamic principles. Any Dhimmi who feels that he has been treated unjustly has the right to appeal to the ruler to reverse the injustice against him, either by a Muslim or a non-Muslim.

Scholars and the “general Islamic conscience” are another defense line for non-Muslims to seek protection behind.

Islamic history is full of incidents that indicate the Muslim community’s commitment to protect Dhimmis against any depreciation of their rights.

Islamic history reports the case of the priest who complained against an army leader who wrongfully took his money to Ahmad ibn Tulun, who then had it returned to the priest. There is also the case of the Copt who complained against `Amr ibn Al-`Aas to `Umar, who summoned the latter into account.

The role of scholars in this regard can clearly be detected in the stance of Imam Al-Awza`i towards the Abbasid ruler during his time, when the ruler kicked out a non-Muslim tribe from Mount Lebanon after a group of them had refused to pay their yearly agricultural tax. Al-Awza`i wrote on this matter to the caliph, denouncing the act and reminding him that Dhimmis were free people and not slaves.

Furthermore, when Al-Waleed ibn `Abdul Malik confiscated Church John from the Christians and enjoined it to a mosque, they sought Caliph `Umar ibn `Abdul Aziz’s assistance to revoke the wrongdoing against them, which he did.

The history of the Islamic judiciary bears witness to this, as was the case with `Ali ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him) and others; which evidently proves that Islam renders the People of the Book as an integral part of society, not to be discriminated against by the Muslim population in any way.

msleepyhead said...

Dear DN,

Your previous post was on the national language, which I fully agree that everyone should learn, but practicality states that as everything else in this world, people only speak the language of $, as in the US, Mexicans immigrants will have to learn the language to be able to work under their English speaking bosses. It's a whole different matter here and we know why - BM is only used when you deal with the government or in conversation with Malay friends but as can we see here, most of the comments are in English. Even if you were to take out a loan from a bank or buy a home, the S&P, legal documents and so on are mostly in English except for the government papers.

Unfortunately, since learning the national language does not earn one an economical advantage and since without it, the high school dropout workshop mechanics for example, can still earn a substantial living with their vocational skills, so it will most likely stay as it is with the continual existence of vernacular schools and until the rise of the national language to be the trade and business language in the country. Ever notice how the bosses and shopkeepers can always speak in Malay to Malay customers, broken or otherwise.

And as probably already cited here and elsewhere perhaps even new foreign workers speaks better Malay than our locals because of the above mentioned economic necessity.

As commented in JMD's blog, the current co-existence of vernacular schools alongside national ones is much likely due to behind the scenes agreement between ruling parties as it is after all the bread and butter issues for each party and the community they represent.

Instead of asking vernacular schools to be closed down overnight and cause further unnecessary friction between the races as would be expected of such an action, it would be wiser to make the national schools the school of choice to go to.

Just like how some parents chose to send their children to missionary or even national schools instead of vernacular ones as they believe the children will have a good command of the Malay and English language to serve them later in life.

One of the factors that see a comeback in the popularity of Chinese schools is obviously the rise of China as a trading country.

With all the government machinery and might, we could have built up a series of national schools but instead money has been spent to build sekolah asrama and mrsm colleges where we know students get almost round the clock education with extra night classes and such.

Anyone dare say that current national schools, missionary and established ones aside, are at par with those two? Will the tuition centers spring up all over the country had the national schools been great?

Who are we kidding here?

There's no need to further elaborate how we got to this point.

Vernacular schools must go, yes, and it must be replaced with a better one that parents would prefer to send their kids to. People always go for the best or what they perceive to be the best, for medical treatment, or roti canai and teh tarik, or sup ekor, or nasi lemak, or car, etc..it is no different with education and sad to say apart from a number of well established national schools, some of the vernacular schools are perceived to be the best.

Let's just put it this way, the powers that be could have but they didn't.

Malaysian Tigress said...

KM,

One important thing I forgot.

Where did/do our Ministers send their kids to school?

What motivation do the likes of Najib and Hishamuddin the Education MInister himself (who sent their children to private international schools... don't know about Mukhriz et al)have to improve the state of our schools and education system, especially with regards to the flip-flopping in teaching Math and Science in English in the national schools?

Do they have a connection there? Meaning to the needs of our kids? Are they in tune with the realities faced by the struggling teachers and students from rural areas? Have they our kids' ultimate interests at heart?

Have they come up with solutions to improve the receptiveness of those pupils struggling with english and provide proper training for the teachers to be better equipped to teach in english?

Can one be motivated to improve the lot of the people when they do not experience the extreme urgency and the worry that we, the regular rakyat (who cannot afford International schools like Najib) feel for our kids education and future?

Kembara Politik said...

Salam,

Berkenaan dengan hal SAR, mungkin artikel dari blog Another Brick in the Wall ini boleh membantu pemahaman kita semua:

http://anotherbrickinwall.blogspot.com/2008/12/sekolah-agama-rakyat-betulkah-pemahaman.html

BrightEyes said...

""Salam,

Berkenaan dengan hal SAR, mungkin artikel dari blog Another Brick in the Wall ini boleh membantu pemahaman kita semua:
""

I knew it. Some of these fellas were earlier calling for a single school system to "create unity"... but then when the question comes to the SARs, MARA, and other such systems... they try to weave around the issue to get exemptions. I wonder if these dudes are actually sincere.

By all means, lets have one school system for all Malaysians... I'm fine with that. While we're at that, lets... *ahem*... ERADICATE the racial-based quotas in the economy, in government, and in education.

Because this single-school system will still fail to produce the much vaunted Bangsa Malaysia, if the Nons are still told (indirectly) that they don't qualify for this/that because of their skin color.

Anonymous said...

Integrasi sistem pendidikan negara diperlukan untuk tujuan perpaduan negara. Namun, integrasi secara paksaan di dalam keadaan politik semasa mungkin akan mendatangkan lebih keburukan berbanding kebaikan.

Rombakan besar-besaran ke atas sistem pendidikan negara perlu dibuat sebelum integrasi sekolah boleh dilaksanakan.

Pada pendapat saya, semua pihak (yang betul-betul cintakan negara dan ingin menyelesaikan masalah ini) perlu duduk berbincang secara aman dan perlu bertolak ansur.

Kita tidak boleh beritahu kaum Cina dan India bahawa sekolah jenis kebangsaan perlu ditutup begitu sahaja. Kerisauan mereka perlu ditangani terlebih dahulu. Dalam aspek ini, kaum Melayu perlu memahami perasaan mereka dan bertolak ansur sedikit.

Setelah itu, kaum Cina dan India perlu bertolak ansur juga. Mereka perlu memahami bahawa pengorbanan dan kerjasama semua pihak adalah perlu demi menjaga perpaduan negara. Mungkin sekolah jenis kebangsaan tidak perlu ditutup, sebaliknya sekolah-sekolah tersebut digabungkan dengan sekolah kebangsaan.

Yang penting, matlamat tercapai. Cara pelaksanaannya boleh diubah dan disesuaikan mengikut keadaan.

Semua pihak perlu jujur dan percaya dengan keikhlasan antara satu sama lain demi menjayakan matlamat ini.


~Komen warganegara Malaysia berketurunan Cina.

Malaysian Tigress said...

brighteyes:

Here i cut and paste for you from Another Brick in the Wall (don't read while drunk, nanti tak paham...focus on the status of ISLAM in this nation, ok? Good boy...):

Hishamuddin dilaporkan Malaysiakini.com seolah-olah berkata usah dipanjangkan isu ini kerana akan membabitkan kedudukkan Sekolah Agama. Sistem pendidikkan kita berasaskan sekolah aliran kebangsaan dan aliran lain-lain yang termasuk sekolah Cina, Tamil, Muballigh Kristian dan Agama Islam. Jika di"kacau" sekolah vernakular, Sekolah Agama kena ikut mengalah.

Sebenarnya pemahaman Hishamuddin itu tidak berapa tepat. Status Sekolah Agama tidak boleh dikira setaraf dengan Sekolah Vernakular. Sekolah Agama mempunyai kedukkan istimewa di bawah Artikel 3, 11 dan 12 Perlembagaan Persekutuan Malaysia bersesuaian sebagai Agama Persekutuan.

Artikel 12, bukan saja begitu kuat sekali menekankan bahawa peruntukkan untuk Sekolah Agama dibenarkan di bawah undang-undang, tetapi tersirat disebalik penulisan undang-undang itu maksud bahawa tidak mengeluarkan peruntukkan untuk aliran Sekolah Agama adalah bertentangan dengan Perlembagaan.

Islam Dalam Perlembagaan

Bagi menerangkan perkara ini, utama sekali diketahui Islam adalah Agama Persekutuan sebagaimana peruntukkan Artikel 3 Perlembagaan persekutuan, berikut:

3 (1) Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation.

Dengan demikian, jelas tanpa was-was bahawa kedudukkan Islam sebagai Agama Persekutuan meletakkan Islam lebih tinggi di bawah Perlembagaan dengan agama-agama lain.

Setiap kumpulan agama adalah bertanggungjawab ke atas urusan pentadbiran agama masing-masing, seperti mana tercatat dalam Artikel 11 Perlembagaan berikut:

11(3) Every religious group has the right -

(a) to manage its own religious affairs;
(b) to establish and maintain institutions for religious or charitable purposes; and
(c) to acquire and own property and hold and administer it in accordance with law

Dalam hal-hal ini, kedudukkan Islam sebagai Agama Persekutuan lebih tinggi dari taraf Agama Rasmi yang lebih berupa istiadat tetapi ada jurang antara state dengan agama. Pentadbiran Islam di negara ini lebih berstruktur dan rapat state di mana Raja-Raja Melayu adalah Ketua Agama dan urusan hal ehwal Agama Islam jatuh di bawah bidang kuasa rasmi kerajaan-kerajaan negeri dan persekutuan.

Bersesuaian sebagai status Agama Persekutuan, dana kerajaan dibenarkan untuk diguna bagi tujuan pengurusan dan penyebaran. Dalam hal pendidikkan, klausa 12 (2) begitu jelas dan nyata dana kerajaan harus disalurkan untuk tujuan ini.

12(2) Every religious group has the right to establish and maintain institutions for the education of children in its own religion, and there shall be no discrimination on the ground only of religion in any law relating to such institutions or in the administration of any such law; but it shall be lawful for the Federation or a State to establish or maintain or assist in establishing or maintaining Islamic institutions or provide or assist in providing instruction in the religion of Islam and incur such expenditure as may be necessary for the purpose.

Bahagian diatas yang telah dikasar dan diwarnakan bermula dengan perkataan "it shall be lawful for the Federation or a State " untuk menyediakan perbelanjaan untuk pendidikkan agama, termasuk meliputi Sekolah-Sekolah Agama Rakyat.

Dari nasihat dan pandangan seorang bekas hakim, ini adalah satu tuntutan yang tegas. Bagi sesuatu yang dinyatakan sebagai "lawful" (dibenarkan undang-undang), perkataan-perkataan berlawanan adalah lebih menyerlah. Tersirat disebalik adalah ia sesuatu yang "unlawful" (bertentangan undang-undang) bagi perbelanjaan tidak disalurkan kepada Sekolah-Sekolah Agama.

Lebih Tinggi Taraf dari Sekolah Vernakular

Jika dirujuk kepada Artikel 152 Perlembagaan berkenaan Bahasa Kebangsaan bersama Artikel 12 berkenaan hak untuk mendapat pendidikkan, kerajaan tidak bertanggungjawab untuk membiayai Sekolah-Sekolah Vernakular.

Artikel 152 (1) menyatakan berikut:

152 (1) The national language shall be the Malay language and shall be in such script as Parliament may by law* provide:

Provided that-

a) no person shall be prohibited or prevented from using (otherwise than for official purposes), or from teaching or learning, any other language; and

(b) nothing in this Clause shall prejudice the right of the Federal Government or of any State Government to preserve and sustain the use and study of the language of any other community in the Federation.

Artikel ini menyatakan Bahasa Melayu dan bukan Bahasa Malaysia adalah Bahasa Kebangsaan dengan beberapa syarat.

Pertama, selagi kaum lain tidak dilarang dan ditegah untuk mengajar dan belajar Bahasa tersebut. Hak ini hanya hak peribadi dan bukan melibatkan kerajaan. Ia bersesuaian dengan hak asasi manusia yang dideklarasi Bangsa-Bangsa Bersatu.

Syarat kedua adalah ia tidak menafikan pihak kerajaan untuk memelihara dan mempertahankan kegunaan dan pengkajian bahasa pelbagai masyarakat-kaum lain di dalam Persekutuan Malaysia. Ini bermakna kerajaan boleh bantu tetapi ayat itu tidak menyatakan kerajaan mesti lakukan.

Artikel 152 (1a) ada menyebut "any other communities" yang bermaksud kaum-kaum lain selain Melayu. Tetapi kaum-kaum Bumiputera di Sabah dan Sarawak tidak tertakluk sebagai masyarakat-kaum lain kerana status Bumiputera mereka. Sebenarnya mereka lebih berhak untuk mendapat peruntukkan kerajaan untuk diajar dan mengajar bahasa ibunda mereka di sekolah-sekolah kebangsaan.

Tersirat disebalik Artikel 152 adalah kerajaan tidak perlu bertanggungjawab untuk memelihara dan mempertahankan kegunaan dan kajian bahasa lain dari Bahasa Melayu dan lebih-lebih lagi untuk mengajar dan belajar bahasa lain.

Dengan demikian, sekolah-sekolah vernakular yang tidak memenuhi aspirasi kebangaan yang tertakluk dalam perlembagaan dan rancangan-rancangan kerajaan yang telah melalui proses Parlimen tidak ada hak di bawah Perlembagaan untuk menuntut sokongan dan bantuan kerajaan, seperti peruntukkan kewangan.

Jelas sekali, tidak ada isu memperjuangkan satu aliran sekolah kebangsaan akan menjejaskan sekolah aliran agama. Dari segi Perlembagaan, Sekolah Agama adalah lebih tinggi taraf dan terlindung dari Sekolah Vernakular.

Harap Hishamuddin membetulkan kesilapan ini. Ini hanya teguran dan pandangan yang hanya ikhlas untuk alif, ba dan ta yang jauh lebih utama dari perkiraan parti dan politik.

Anonymous said...

Hi All,

Vernacular schools aside, we do not have "national" schools. Its a tragic reflection of the Malaysian Education system. Our so called National schools are a tragic delusion. What we actually have are Malay schools with emphasis on a form of bigoted agama and skewed syllabus, delivered by poorly trained teachers.

Anonymous said...

Come on let's bushit and beat about the bush about vernacular schools as the main cause of lack of so called unity and polarisation.

Why are we barking up the wrong tree ?. All Malaysian children study Bahasa Malaysia from std 1 to at least form 5. So most if not all will have a working knowledge of BM. For communicative purposes it is good enough. Or are we saying all must be Malays or Malaynised ?.

The main cause of disunity is the govt's discriminative policies and also that of radical islam rearing its head.

One can read many times in the blogs of how Malay teachers warned the Malays students not to mix with the Kaffirs.

Of Biro Tata Negara teaching the Malays to hate and not mix with the non Malays.

Matters like these are the real cause of polarisation and lack of unity .

How come the pre independant inhabitants of Malaya were able to be united to fight for independance eventhough many non Malays can hardly speak proper Malay?.

Stop using the vernacular schools as scapegoats.

Look at the real cause of polarisation .

See how even the Chinese Muslims are not permitted to build their own mosque.

The real cause of polarisation is, as I have said earlier, unfairness of govt policies and the rise of radical Islam.

Anonymous said...

Rocky,
Let them go on with the Demo.

Bungkus semua masuk truck FRU. Let Police and Immigration record all their details.

Check against their income tax remittance. CHECK THEIR INCOME TAX REMITTANCE...

Economist

Anonymous said...

KijangMas,

Sorry, tersilap tekan. Both are on the same subject.

We should initiate something to stop all their nonsense. My area, we have all started to steer away from their shops. It is working..

ECONOMIST

Omong said...

KijangMas Dear

I have consciously started checking out whether the shop owner is Malay or Chinese when I stopped at the R&R along the highways.

I was about to pay for my purchase when I realised the cashier is Chinese. I put back my tidbits and went over to the other shop where the workers are Malays and purchased from them.

The reason I went in to the first shop was because the shop is really stocked up with a lot more variety of goods.

But who cares? I will support Malay enterprises from now on.

I also have to be extra observant to note that Malay workers may be working for Chinese owners.

Eyes Wide Open said...

Before I start, let me clarify where my perspective is coming from.

I am a non-Malay, born in Malaysia. I studied in a multi-racial mission school, with good friends from various races throughout my life.

Currently, I am an educator, but not part of the national school system in any of its forms. I have school-age students from the 3 major races in Malaysia and also several "dan lain-lain" and even foreigners from East and West. I am part of a network of dedicated educators that span the world.

I am neither for or against vernacular schools, but I am for parents' freedom to choose whichever form of education they deem best for their children.

That said, let me begin.

I think the biggest mistake that anyone can make in this whole debate about national unity and education is the assumption that everyone must be allowed to speak only one language.

If being multi-language was the barrier to anything, the great explorers of the past would never have ventured beyond their own villages. Heck, even residents in different areas of London city can't understand each other sometimes because of the various dialects spoken.

Language is never a barrier to anything IF we have the will to overcome it.

For example, I have students who can only speak Tamil. Do I reject them the opportunity to learn because I can't speak Tamil? NO! I speak to him as much as he understands in whatever language he understands that I am capable of speaking. And thank God I have staff who can speak Tamil so I can communicate more effectively with him! It is the same for all my other students. I converse with them in Mandarin, Cantonese, Bahasa Melayu, English and even the few words of Hokkien, Tamil or Japanese that I know! Anything to get my message across.

As an educator, I have students from Chinese and Tamil vernacular schools, national schools and private national-syllabus schools, international schools and even home-schools. Each one of these schools have their own strengths and weaknesses. In most cases, language is the least of their problems. The major problems are the teachers and the syllabus that is being taught.

No matter what you say about the constitutionality of the vernacular school system, I'm afraid this issue goes beyond the Constitution. To effectively build national unity, yes the schools play a role. But more importantly, national unity is a mindset and it is nurtured in the FAMILY.

The real problem of why national unity is lacking lies with the people who hold on to narrow communal sentiments, and one way this is expressed is holding on to the vernacular school system for whatever reasons of security it provides them. These same people would kick up helluva fuss if forced to part with their source of comfort. Sure, you can make them, but will it address the deeper issue of their own personal worldview?

If these people are FORCED to give up what they hold dear in favour of what they see as "inferior" or “not belonging to them”, will they become more united or more polarised?

Well, they may become more united - against the people who forced their hand!

In my school days, Chinese and Tamil schools were widely regarded as second-grade institutions. Only the less-educated and economically-backward families (hawkers, labourers, etc) would send their kids to these schools. They were seen as having cultural hang-ups that prevented them from moving forward in life – and that was why they remained in the lower levels of society...

Most forward-looking Chinese and Indian parents then would not dream of sending their kids to these schools. They only saw hope in mission schools (where English was still the main medium) or national schools (Malay-medium) as these were seen as the only way their kids could survive in Malaysia and the world at large. Even Chinese-educated parents who managed to work their way up in life (like my father) wanted us to either go to a mission school or national school.

But in the 3 or so decades since then, why has vernacular schools seen such a resurgence? Now, 95% of Chinese-descended children study in Chinese-medium schools. And even Tamil schools are enjoying a Rennaissance, with increasing enrolments. Many have gone from second-grade institutions to top-class performers.

Why?

The simple answer is - most non-Malay parents feel that the national school system is not good enough. And it's easy to understand why. Take a drive to your nearest national schools. How many of them proudly display a huge sign at the front gate, saying:

"SYABAS! Anda hadir di sekolah hari ini!"

What? Congratulations simply for COMING to school? If they had said "SYABAS kerana menhadiri semua kelas hari ini" it wouldn't have been so bad!

If the level deemed deserving of praise is set so low, what can be said of the level of intelligence produced by these schools? Sure, we have students with multiple A's, but many of these same students are also those who can't articulate any original or independent thought!

Also, the present national school system is bogged down with so much political baggage. Just look at the debates over Bahasa Melayu vs English, Sejarah and its revisionist textbooks, directives over not inviting Pakatan VIPs to attend school functions, etc. These polarising debates are carried out in full public views by politicians of all stripes. All of them are jostling for position, educating children is the furthest thing from their minds.

And this racial polarising is encouraged by our politicians with their grand pronouncements on the comparative superiority or inferiority of races, religions and cultures living within Malaysia. It's no wonder that non-Malays feel rejected in their own country. The natural reaction would be to withdraw into the relative safety of familiar surroundings – in this case, mixing with people of the same culture and colour. It's the “you don't want me, so I don't want you too!” mentality - and it's all to human.

Where are the dedicated academics in all of this? Amid all the political hullabaloo, does anyone even remember that schools are for educating our children?

To say that vernacular schools are the source of racial polarisation is only addressing part of the problem. We cannot take such a simplistic approach in calling for the closing down vernacular schools “for the sake of national unity”. The underlying reasons for the trend of preferring vernacular schools must be honestly identified and intelligently addressed. To shut down these schools based on racial assumptions is myopic and will open up a whole other can of worms to be exploited by politicians.

Such racial thinking does not only exist in the minds of non-Malays, mind you. I have come across many Malays who come into my centre, like the program but will not enrol simply because I do not have as many Malay students as they prefer. Come on, what has that got to do with anything? Is race more important than quality education? I treat all my students the same, the ratio of high performers corresponds to the racial mix of my student demographic – isn't that proof enough that I practise no discrimination? Why discriminate against me then?

I especially disagree with Demi Negara that Chinese vernacular schools breed low-skill and crime-prone citizens. I would invite you to any Tamil, Chinese and National schools to visit the classes and the students before making such an unqualified blanket judgment. You would find more or less the same ratio of high, medium and low performers in any school. Intelligence, discipline and good manners are not racial traits – they are nurtured in the family and in schools.

I am not advocating shutting down of vernacular school systems to establish a single system for all. If anything, I would advocate MORE choices of education! That era is over! That system was designed to address the needs of the Industrial Revolution where industrialists needed large numbers of people able to perform standardised tasks. Today, with the proliferation of choice in every sphere of life – from religion to coffee, from sexual preference to furniture - where does the “one size fits all” mentality fit in?

Let there be MORE CHOICE - national schools, vernacular schools, home schools, private schools, sports schools, music schools, art schools, dance schools, schools for the gifted, schools for the handicapped, etc. So that there is a school to fit the need of every individual in the country.

If we can just take the political equation out of education, maybe we can begin to rebuild a world-class education system that can prepare our children for a globalised world. Leave education to apolitical experts! Let there be competition to produce the best students – not those who can regurgitate textbook answers, but those who can think outside the box and innovate.

When national schools can produce those kinds of students, believe me, vernacular schools will lose their attractiveness. People of all races will be competing to get into national schools!

But since a revamp of our education seems to be far off yet, the way to national unity is for people of all races to teach our children not to be suspicious of others simply because they are of a different race than ourselves.

Anonymous said...

Omong said...
KijangMas Dear

I have consciously started checking out whether the shop owner is Malay or Chinese when I stopped at the R&R along the highways.

====

So now Omong, now they have succeeded in making you a racist.

Do you know that the chinese who open shop at the R&R is also in a similar predicament as the Malay who opens the shop next to his ?.

so in your mind , this Chinese guy is a rich towkay ?.

Sickening isn't it how people have now become more racist ?

I buy from a shop because it is convenience and the service not because of the race or colour of the shopkeeper.

Real shame, another notch for racism in Malaysia.

Cuddly Family said...

I do agree with elements about what mukhriz said.

Vernacular schools debate aside, what I think we need is an improved education system and text books that talk willingly about the contributions of Malaysians.

I think the prob with the sek. keb. is the preception of the quality of the teaching staff and the attempted superiority indoctrination. I have seen primary school history books where they barely mention the contribution of the immigrants who first came to our shores (Malay/nonMalay) and even our Melaka history only now starts after the first Sultan converted to Islam.

our historical buildings get demolished. It's like we have no pride anymore in our history. We share this history.

my children are going to sek keb. I want them to learn BM, it's what we speak. However, I'd also like them to have the chance to learn other languages.

Why must it JUST be one language? Yes, BM is our common language. Im definitely not disputing the other. Why is it portrayed that we must have that one language at all costs and not even have the option of learning other languages.

I think we should learn both official languages equally. And if you want to learn Mandarin, Tamil, Arabic, boleh juga! (whatever your ethnic heritage).

Malay and non-Malays should be learn these languages without discrimmination or commentary.

I've had people question why my kids (and myself) have "traditional" costumes for every "race". The kids think it's Malaysian costumes and we can wear it for every celebration if we want to, swopping and changing if needs be :) But I've had Malay mums asking me why my kids are wearing baju Melayu if they aren't Malay, or the horror of one member of my extended family when I let them wear everything else other than chinese centric stuff.

It's time we change things. Celebrate together, grieve together, learn together. I know it sounds idealistic but you know what, unless all this happens, our country will fall apart and there will be nothing left of the great potential Malaysia (and Malaysians) have.

Why fight over a bigger piece of the pie when the pie shrinks to a crumb?

We need a GOOD education system. PRIDE in our country. A civil service that is efficient and non corruptable. Ditto for judicial/police force.

No idea of one superior than the other. Our govt definitely has failed us on this score. The divide and rule concept has suited them thus far. but then again, they were voted in by Malaysians. What does that say about us?

It would take a while for things to change for the better but if we dont get started, it will never happen. It starts at home, with our young ones and with our own behaviour.

no more racial breakdown written up in the sek keb office boards. no more filling race on forms.

Im malaysian. I don't know how to be anything else nor do I want to be.

Icarius said...

Education is naturally a sensitive issue, especially when coupled with differences in mother-tongue, religious believes.

Worst of all is that some politicians are prostituting the topic of education as a means to "represent" a community. And when Politician from A say go North, the opposition (as the name goes) will oppose and promote going to South.

What I am attempting to do here is merely to put a simplified example to guide and provide a different view to the arguments for or against the current schooling system.

Please do not fault me if the example is incomplete, or if my info presented were wrong. Instead please use the example and fill in with your assumptions and facts.

Let's make an assumption here: "All parents will put their children into the very best schools they can"

Do we agree on the assumption? Note "very best schools they can" That we can reasonably treat it as truth?

In order to be clear about what the assumption means we should also clearly define the words used in the assumption.

And in the above assumption, perhaps only the word "best" need definition. And in this context, best means different things to different people.

I have no evidence and am only speculating here. Please add on, modify or remove factors to build a better case for all.

Best to the Malays may mean things related to religion, near friends, convenient, etc.
Best to the Chinese may mean academic achievement, mandarin.
Best to the indians may mean religion, english, convenient, etc.
Of course we can further add on to the list with religions, sports, facilities, etc, but the concept remains the same.

Whatever the actual factors defining what is best to the different groups, we know that it will be different.

The challenge now should be:
1. If we are able to make a school that has all the factors of being "best" to all, will all parents send their children there?
Yes? we are getting somewhere.

2. How do we make schools that are best to all races, languages and religions?

Let's split up what a child does in school and then define how/where/what can be done.

a. Learn maths and science - All can share?

b. Learn BM and English - All can share?

c. Learn 3rd language - Offer a choice (Tamil, Mandarin, Japanese, French, German, Spanish, etc). Good?

d. Learn Religious teachings - Offer the common religions, and let students (or parents) choose.

If we make such a school, would you want to send your children there?

Is it reasonable that such a school can be made? YES !

errm... except for one other sorely lacking thing.


The standard of teaching. But that is another topic that needs to be addressed separately.

I honestly do not believe that we should enforce a single schooling system. But we can encourage by providing what is important to the parents, and then letting them decide.

If we cannot provide for the parents' different demands within the current national type schools, we must find ways to meet such demands, and not use policies to compel them.

If we are able to have many of these schools, and staff them with dedicated, and competent teachers, we have no more need to continue this endless debate that provoke race, language and religion sensitivities.

Hope I didnt offend any one with this alternative thinking. And apologies for being slightly(understatement) long-winded.

Cheers.
Icarius-outsight.

SkyForce said...

To Omong,

What is wrong with u?
I believe the Japanese killing your people during World War 2 is more 'dosa' than what chinese did today.

Do u buy Japanese product???

Please think again.

SkyForce

Anonymous said...

Anonymous of December 9, 2008 8:08 PM said . . .

“. . . beat about the bush about vernacular schools as the main cause of lack of so called unity and polarisation.”

No. Vernacular schools are the incubator, womb, nursery, hatchery and breeding ground of polarized Chinese ‘citizens’ who fight thong and nails for segregation, while scheming for another Singapore. That’s worse than racial polarization.

We are not talking about causes and effects any more. Dong Jiao Zong have proven it. They are preparing for their next move right now.

Their springboard is that mother of racist DAP the menace even though they don't like each other. For decades the Gerakan (BN's bedfellow) marginalize the Malays of Penang. When the time is ripe, in order not to be too obvious, they ‘let’ DAP wins with the help of traitorous Malay PKR.

When the time is ripe again, the Malay PKR deputy CM will be kicked out. That is their modus operandi. Over YOUR dead body.

“ . . . The main cause of disunity is the govt's discriminative policies and also that of radical islam rearing its head.. .”

You, you, you started slamming Islam. You brought Islam into this. Islam has nothing to do with vernacular schools.

If the Muslims choose to be radical, you and your kinds would not last the time span for spittle to hit the ground. For to some Malay muslims, death is victory. Only they are not being pushed to that limit yet. You go on pushing. You started it.

The Zionists are depriving the Muslim Palestinians of everything, EVERYTHING, since WW1 and they are here still. Can you last that long? You are welcomed to bring Islam into this ‘main pondok-pondok’ thing of yours.

You have read M.Tigress above, and you know you are lying. The govt discriminates nobody. You demonize the govt so that it is hated. So that it falls. So that Singapore’s agents the DAP and the Chinese PKR pick up the slak. They are doing it now.

You discriminate the Malays because you feel you own all the wealth of the land. What you fail to add into the equation is – wahai Melayu, you have nothing to lose, everything to gain. The opportunity is presented to you when this Anon pushes you enough.

The sleeping Malays will just have to realize this, and the ball will start rolling. Aapocryphalyst touched a little on this subject when he mentioned something like Tok Guru Somebody, the 'latah' Malays or ... ... time out.

You start counting your time, for we are counting too.



LipanBara

mr khamsani said...

I am willing to throw out the NEP if u folks,Indian and Chinese are willing to speak Bahasa Melayu fluently, and behave like a Malaysian. Somebody said that vernacular school is only a portion of a complex system that creates racial tension. Dude,even if it's only a portion,why don't we start with it first. Forget of protecting your rights to learn your mother's tongue. We do protect your right by allowing you to study your mother's tongue in National school as an elective. Depend to you if you want to learn. I'm happy if you don't,so that you will assimilate into Malays. I'm happy if this assimilation occurs,so no more NEP, no more racial based politic,no more May 13th. I have a Chinese friend whom cannot speak Mandarin but is good Malay that I'm willing to give out the NEP if I have the capacity to do so. How many aren't yet joining him?PLease..before the May 13th tragedy repeats.

KijangMas said...

Sky Force and Anonymous (December 10, 2008 10:59 PM),

Why do you people care if Omong buys from a non-Chinese shop?

Isn't your disapproval of Omong buying from a Malay shop reflect YOUR own racism? So Omong MUST buy only from your Chinese shops? Wah, business-by-force ah?

Why so easily ruffled nowadays?

So much for economic supremacy ...

Anonymous said...

Hi KM,

When it comes to shopping, I don't discriminate. I'll buy from one that give me the best service, quality & the best value for money. And I'm a sucker for friendly sales girls whose smiles can melt your heart type. (MT won't make the grade, face too long & short fuse.)

Cheers,
Unker Yew

PS - Why hurt the small time businesses? It should be the bigger one we target lah, like those who sell Loleks watches.

msleepyhead said...

A question I've asked but have not gotten a proper reply from anyone, perhaps KM@DN and the other readers can elaborate their views:

"If this country were under attack by foreign forces, who would be at the front line and be drafted into the army first?"

Mr Khamsani said he's willing to give up the NEP to those already classified as 'Bangsa Malaysia', meaning non-Malays who speak Malay fluently and understands its culture. And obviously we already have people like that as seen in Mr Khamsani's friend.

But what do they get for already having arrived at 'Bangsa Malaysia'? Still treated no differently in terms of government policy because of the way that they look and also the official status of their ethnicity stated in the IC.

Many readers here confuse Jiao Zong with the whole Malaysian Chinese and thinks it's an attack on Malays when it is clearly an education issue. They're not asking for exemption from learning the Malay language. It's no different than saying that non-Muslims should not meddle in Islamic affairs. They just want the teaching of Science and Maths in Mandarin instead of English, there's no Bahasa Melayu involved.

Anonymous said...

KijangMas, you and this blog are being discussed at length in Haris Ibrahim's blog.

I think these anti-DemiNegara types in that blog are actually closet DN Junkies, but cannot admit it to their DAP totok buddies.

Otherwise, why should they be so obsessed with your every word and repeatedly pushing your URL in their posts?

See the discussion at Haris' blog here.

Voren

KijangMas said...

Voren,

Let it be, my friend, let it be.

Let these Dong Jiao Zong bigots and assorted petty chauvinists and their Haris Ibrahimesque lapdogs shit in their pajamas, leotards and G-Strings while yours truly sip his tall glass of piña colada topped with a slice of lemon and a cute little paper umbrella on the northwestern shore of Bukit (or “Phuket” to the elocution-challenged T’ais) humming to the tune of Sabai Sabai.

Mai pen raai, people, mai pen raai.

Hoi Unker Yew Mr. 11967, why don’t you join me. Your Ah Pek pajamas will fit right in here among the clothes-challenged Scandinavian snowbirds. I have a pail of sugar water with one cup for you and I to share just like our old football/rugby playing days … But I take the first dip lah.

Mai pen raai, people, mai pen raai.

Apocryphalist said...

The King, the Chess Champion and a Most Radical Suggestion

There have been calls either in this blog or in blogs similar to this, from commenters with like-minded views on the current socio-political issues, to perform positive actions that would bring about the change with regards to the exigency the country is facing now. Read Zazaland’s comment above. But the call is a call for action, and kalau action-action ni, kadang2 ada complication sikit. Let me illustrate with a story.

A king had a country full of subjects who all claimed undying love for him. So in order to demonstrate that what one speaks from the mouth is not necessarily what one performs bodily or instills in one’s heart, the king proceeded to put forward a little test.

“It’s a cold night,” he said, speaking to the entire crowd of subjects. “Perchance that all of you could at least give the palace a cup of milk from each household, and put here in this huge vase so that in the morning me and the royal family could make use of your kindnesses”. “That we will do, O King,” they all cried in unison, “for we all are ready even to die for you and what is a mere glass of milk if that could sustain the comforts of your household”. They all pledged to perform the deed that very night so that in the morning the palace household could have a huge jarful of milk.

Now in the dead of night in comes this little moulvi bringing his portion of said liquid to be put inside the King’s jar. In the dark, he felt with his hand the humongous vase and noticed that it was quite full already, as he was one of the last to come in with his contribution, and the others had come, poured in theirs, and had left. But what our little friend here had brought, in actuality, is nothing more than just plain water, and his contention was this: “If I were to bring in this cup of water instead of milk, nobody would notice, seeing as how my insignificant liquid will be renormalised and neutralised by the big gallons of milk already existing”. And he poured his contribution in and gleefully went his way.

Now come morning, the King lifted up the lid of his jar and behold, what did he see ? A jarful of … water !!! Because everybody else had been thinking of the same thing, of the same insignificant contributions that they bring as compared to “the rest”.

Herein, gentlemen, is the actual predicament we all are in. Because “the rest” is nothing more than just us. When we talk about change, we all are content with becoming armchair philantropic philosophers. And the agents of change? “The other person could do it. Not me. I am small and insignificant. I am sure the Jebats and the KijangMases and the Sakmongkols can be this agent of change. But no, not me.”

And when everybody starts thinking like this, we will indeed have a jarful of water in the end. Perhaps even worse than that: a balang of hot air is what we will end up with. So I think, in order to make a change, everybody, starting with all the like-minded contributors here, SHOULD be pro-active towards making this change happen.

“But how do we start? And when I say I am small and insignificant, I am not joking. I really mean it.”

The answer to the above question lies in the unfortunate anonimity provided by the power of bloggings and the internet, presenting it with a new dimension of challenge: that of distributed unity. For that, we bring in the next story. If the aforementioned tale is, in all probabililty, an apocryphal one [ ;-) ] , this next one sure isn’t, because it’s about Gary Kasparov, world chess champion from 1985 till 2001.

Now it is said that no one can really beat Kasparov. He is widely believed to be one of the strongest Grandmasters who ever lived. Even when he relinquished his throne to the younger Valdimir Kramnik years later, he remained to be a formidable player. When IBM wanted to test the prowess of their new Chess Supercomputer Deep Blue with the ability to compute billions of permutative moves per second and store huge amounts of historical games in its database from whence it could fetch exemplary moves of previous grandmasters, they had chosen him to be its worthy opponent. The machine was, of course, defeated. It was only after doubling up its computational power and electronic circuitries the following year (while Kasparov maintains the same magnitude of unincreased human capabilities) that the machine was able to defeat him and even then not before being presented with a good fight from Kasparov.

And then, inspite of having beaten this juggernaut machine, humbled countless grandmasters and won many many international tournaments, his MOST difficult and challenging singular game was the one he had with … a group of schoolgirls! How? Read on …

Somebody came up with the idea of “Kasparov versus the World” in the internet in 1999. On one side would be Kasparov, and on the other it was … the entire world. “World” consisted of … anybody. Amateurs, beginners, woodpushers alike … all were invited. No Grandmaster was allowed (except Daniel King who was to be the commentator in the internet). What happens is this. When Kasparov makes a move, then as a reply to this move a consensus was held in the internet. If out of, say, a thousand people, the highest percentage of players prefer a certain move, then that move is chosen. And the LEADERS or the ones who make the final move after the consensus had been made was a group of small schoolgirls not of grandmaster status, of course. Actually, “world” was made up of 58,000 players from all walks of life from 75 different countries, and these four young giggling lasses pooled their votes together.

The game took about 4 months to complete. The result? Kasparov won, of course, but not after having received terrible beatings from “world” led by the 4 teenaged schoolgirls. He later said that the game “is the greatest game in the history of chess.” There were a few technological internet-based glitches that made some people suspect that if it hadn’t been so, “world” could have won nevertheless.

The point in all this? That tiny puny mortals, if acting all alone, are insignificant. But together, with like-mindedness pushing their agreed stratagems in a concerted manner, could present impregnable change mechanisms even to the staunchest of immovable objects.

Definitely the voices that we hear in this blog surpass schoolgirl statures. If all of this could be put into some kind of action/activity, some kind of pseudo-breathing entity, think what kind of formidable force it could become, what it could do to our country. There may be countless ways one can do this. But as a start, may I suggest a couple:-

Instead of numerous blogs, how about we construct ONE …single website … which are made up of all or most of the major bloggers of repute here contributing their writings. That way we have multi-views of everything nationalistic and patriotic. It could be a formidable presence. It’s like MalaysiaToday laaa… except this one’s a good MalaysiaToday. Who knows, it could even be a reference site for those parliamenters up there. There’s KijangMas one day, and there’s Jebat the next, followed by the SATDs or Sakmongkol. The Denones, the Malaysian Tigresses will have their say as so will the the Zazas. We can also have the JedYoongs, the Ridzzys and the Balans spicing up the pages. The KSCheahs or even the NgLees can provide spices from alternative viewpoints. The Dalyells and the BoldAnons can also provide their rantings and musings. That Lempoyang fella can become the Website’s official court jester (hahaha sorry Husin, don’t mean any disrespect. Ni compliment ni). You want economics? There’s our Dato’ Sak. And perhaps our Lawyer Kampung can become the resident legal adviser. Hehehehe. Me? I swear by my grandmother’s grave: I make good coffee!

But think of it: a ONE-STOP center for those who hunger for anything that boosts their patriotism, want the latest news and happenings, require some advise and numerous other “services” . It’s like somekind of a parliament backbencher laaa... except that this BB can be triggered and read in every household. And yes, it could be critical of the government too, as long as the body represents the entire forest and not individual elms. About the only thing I don’t want it to be is another Kembang Setaman page. :-)

The other thing would be this: how could like-minded bloggers/commenters get together? No. I don’t mean physically, sipping coffee in any Starbucks. I mean communicating in the net. There are perhaps many materials, photos etc etc that we can share with one another. I remember wanting to spice up my comments with photographs but there is only very limited html commands that commenters can include. (Ahah! Don’t think I did not hear that. “Why don’t you make up your own blogsite, Apo?”. Well I won’t. And it’s by choice, not by chance. I totally refuse to create my own blog for the simple reason that you guys here are doing excellent already and another one would just get lost in the cornucopia of websites. Creating another one would simply mean thinning the focus: I mean to unify, not to scatteredly further diversify readerships. And yes, I could be very wrong in that too). Ok my suggestion: we park or “confide” in our email addresses to someone trustworthy so that he/she could “orchestrate” these… virtual meetings of minds. Some sort of club laaa, lagu tu. My own personal suggestion: Mat Cendana of Cendana Blues fame.

Anyway, these are mere suggestions. You can shoot me, the messenger, the message and everything that moves in between, for that matter.

Apocryphalist.

KijangMas said...

Anonymous (December 7, 2008 9:46 PM) said:-
“Ha ha ha...this is only blatant lies desperately spun by paid UMNO cybertroopers like you deminegara, lies spun to please your UMNO bosses like Azalina and Reezal Marican. Everyone, yes including many Malays, know that Mukhriz is trying to outbid what his Madhatter father wrote in Malay Dilemma. And when cornered, Mukhriz tried to twist and turn, but the fact is cannot hide his true malicious intentions! In any other country, Mukhriz Botak would have been jailed for sedition many times over and also slapped with a hefty fine, but in bolehland, your UMNO masters is making use of people like you to glorify him! … Continue with your malicious spins deminegara as you will only be preaching to the converted in your ilk, the kataks di bawah tempurung.”

Now, this is a classic, a truly classic tong kosong barking of a desperate MT Junkie mongrel languishing in cyberspace and drowning in his own turd of failed expectations, missed dates, and delusional sense of empowerment.

Folks, I love it, I just love the desperate cry of this lost soul, a product of the legendary SRJK(C) Uber Grundschule whose only "contribution" to humanity is his CO2 emission to the planet’s plantlife.

Yup, out of the primordial cesspool slithers this peachfuzz protozoa with delusions of grandeur oozing out of its butthole, wasting blogspot.com’s bandwidth with its copy-n-paste Malaysia Today oft-repeated basi mantra – “UMNO cybertroopers” and “bolehland” and “UMNO masters” – in his pathetic and pitiful and futile attempt to defend the lost and now utterly exposed and discredited Malaysian Cinasia cause of his DAP Cina Bukit bosses.

See the classic, standard-issue MT junkie jargons in this hired hack’s rants.

Geez, masih ada lagi haiwan najis macam ni di atas Bumi Tanah Air ku. Aku ingat dah di berkas dan di rebus hidup-hidup dalam sangkar tikus yang dah di pasang di lubang-lubang tepi jamban dan celah longkang di mana si haiwan najis ni wujud dan beranak-pinak.

Anyway folks, remember my anak manja tag on these slimeballs? Yes, for every assertive stance that challenges their suicidal anti-Malay, anti-TUAN TANAH posture, they will cry and wail like a wet-ass baby and point their paws at some imaginary "UMNO cybertrooper" bogeyman. Anything that touched their treasonous stance on language and schooling, they would cry and wail like a constipated hippo and demand the Tuan Tanah be “jailed for sedition many times over and also slapped with a hefty fine.”

Yes people, this borderline idiot actually said: "In any other country, Mukhriz Botak would have been jailed for sedition many times over and also slapped with a hefty fine, but in bolehland ..."

What "other country" you clueless simpleton? What "other country" would jail a citizen who calls for the propagation of that country's national language? You fight for Mandarin primacy in China and you'll be jailed? You insist on German language dominance in Deutchsland and you'll be arrested? Don't let me get started with the French and Japanese and Russian and Korean, peoples who view their national languages as sacrosanct. And now this little cacing kerawit thumped his chest and uttered that Mukhriz would have been jailed in any "other country"?

See the irrational skew in the circuit board of this contaminated anti-Melayu mind? The SRJK(C) sourced virus is already embedded in his cranium and already part of his darah daging. No McAfee solution here. Perhaps the rumoured new Glock anti-virus solution would do the trick.

See people, this is the species of Rakyat Rosak that I've been talking about. They live in their own self-centered little cocoon based on their own version of rights and justice, where they are above reproach and di kecualikan from any form of national duty or to partake in the nation building process.

The same tired party lines are all these treasonous rakyat celups have in their push for a Greater China Republic of Malaya and Singapore.

Wah, si penumpang nih garang woh. Lu mali saya punya negeli, lu tak mau piligi gua punya sekolah, gua mintak lu sama-sama piligi gua punya sekolah, tapi lu belani mau suloh gua mintak maaf dan mau itu mahkamah cas gua itu olang putih cakap ”sedition.”

Look at the arrogance, the false sense of empowerment, the uncanny sureness of “victory” and a sense of takbur and tak sedar diri oozing out of the capillaries of this penderhaka.

You know, I find it harder and harder by the day to justify to myself why I should tolerate these pengkhianats and accept these ungrateful makhluk perosaks as fellow citizens of a land my direct ancestors carved up from the wilderness into the negeri-negeri Melayu.

Anonymous said...

Wah,I'm truly humbled man. Personal invite from my main man. TQ TQ very much.

Hey no more'pail of sugar water';those were the days; now we got class, must have Crystal punch bowl mah and no double dipping oso, very unhealthy.

Sorry, gotta go & call all my 'spades'frens; Ace, King, Queen, Jack & Ten; 'Royal Flush' mah.

You have a good weekend.
Unker Yew.

PS - U'd being naughthy & NOT nice...hehe...so don't expect any X'mas card or present from Hartal MSM.

Omong said...

Hey KijangMas

I do appreciate your defence dear, but it is good to let them realise that I only became a RACIST (discriminating) shopper when THEY started questioning the constitutional rights of the bumis and THEY keep saying they pay TAXES and therefore the state owes them BIG time.

I was blinded (naive) then but now I discriminate and let's see if they can earn their millions as easily as before. Then when their taxes are reduced, they may want to wear the kebaya and speak Bahasa Malaysia once again, to relate and identify with the majority race.

I'm truly glad they responded. Like they say the enemy of LOVE is not HATE but APATHY (no reaction = bochap).

I did good.

THANK you anyway, dear.

Anonymous said...

Msleepyhead wrote:
"They just want the teaching of Science and Maths in Mandarin instead of English, there's no Bahasa Melayu involved"...

HEY you are really sleepy mshead, why teach in Mandarin? This is MALAYsia not CINAasia ...It should benefit Malaysia not China...Mandarin is THE national language of China .....don't tell me you Chinese have an agenda up your sleeves.....Wake up !!

Why should Mandarin be used for Maths and Science, personally, I would prefer English and I am Malay, this is for the benefit of the country as well as for the students themselves as most periodicals, thesis etc are in English.

(I won't elaborate on that as Apocryphalist had already stated all the reasons on why English should be used for Maths and Science in his previous posting). Unless of course, the idea is to make Malaysia as part of the Greater China Republic of Malaya and Singapore (I quote Kijangmas).

You are in a sleepy utopia!!

And that goes for the 'aliens' who are still in a sleepy slumber and think that they can demand and counterdemand ENDLESSLY !!!

Gosh, what is wrong with you people?

zazaland

NJ AHMAD said...

To KijangMas of the Demi Negara blog:

Sir,
Thank You for responding to my email in so short a time last Thursday morning (Malaysia time), and helping me to include "a few new things" to the write-up of you and this blog. This is something that I really appreciate.

Take note that the Malay Mail has published something about this. The online version is available here at KijangMas - a 24-carat SoPo star is born

I also take this opportunity to mention here that:

While I did write about KijangMas and the Demi Negara blog, this should NOT be liberally interpreted to also mean that I agree with everything that was posted here. At the same time, neither do I disagree with everything.

I am quite sure that you understand this, considering how well-read and knowledgeable you are based on the posts and your replies to comments that I see here. My mentioning the above is actually for the benefit of your readers here, plus those first-timers who might be led here after getting the link in Malay Mail.

Thank you.

Yours faithfully,
NJ AHMAD

phonont said...

Omong,

I am intrigued by the practice of discriminate consumerism which you preach and may I add that an NGO which of which I am a member has for the past few years been advocating this particular concept called BMO among our members. BMO, as you might have guessed it, is at acronym of Buy Malay/Muslim Only. BMO epitomizes our collective disgust to the so-called economic supremacy of the Chinese and their fraudulent business practices. It is through BMO that we help promote fellow Malay businesses and develop business networks. We hope that BMO will soon spread like wildfire while simultaneously dismantle the false sense of superior business ingenuity of the Chinese.

Malaysian Tigress said...

"Radical Islam rearing its head".



Oh, what a tired, worn-out, overused, overhyped piece of propaganda from the Great White Sharks and the tiny sucker fish feeding off them.

Radical Islam is a term used to denote (DEMOTE) any attempt to return to the basic teachings of Islam. It is part of a calculated campaign to create and instill unfounded fears. The resurgence of Islam just does not gel with the US version of democracy (ie exporting mini USA's across the world in a new wave of imperialism) which bertuhankan manusia and their fallible laws and agendas).

We hear all the usual "ulama tak bertauliah" coming out in full force in the form of the bleeding "liberal" Muslims and their own sucker fish.

"Allah looks at the heart, and not what you wear what rituals you practice bla2 bla2 bla2".

Islam is a total package. A way of life. We just do what is required of us a Muslim who "HEARS AND OBEYS". Hypocrisy and evil exist everywhere in every religion, and that is His job to ultimately judge. Not the bleeding liberals, just as they pontificate to us not to judge them despite their togak arak, yoga practice, dispensing with the solat, kalah mat salleh lifestyles etc.

Don't measure Islam by the yardstick of a political party's actions which consists of the uninformed and ignorant and self-serving.

There are zealots in every religion. Why pick on us?

Anonymous said...

Radical Islam is a term used to denote (DEMOTE) any attempt to return to the basic teachings of Islam.
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Malaysian Tigress, it is not picking on you or anyone. It is just a stated fact.

Haven't you read in blogs about how some Malay students were warned by their religious teacher not to mix with their non Malay friends ?.

On the one hand , the differnt races are not encouraged to mix and on the other the question arises about polarisation.

Omong said...

Dear Phonont

Yeah, let's all do a BMO and make it THE buzzword.

Salam ...

Malaysian Tigress said...

Anon at 7.43pm:

I understand what you mean, but what is happening is a result of ignorance from all sides.

If the Malay teacher asked the students not to mix with the other races/religions, then it is due his/her own ignorance.

Read the piece I posted earlier.

Similarly, we have the chinese (not all) practising their own brand of discrimination against the Malays and Indians. I know. I have experienced it all first hand. They look at us as if we are aliens. You smile at them and their faces are frozen, half expecting you to ask for a donation or something.

Ignorance,stupidity and mythology is rampant at every level and in every race. Not only in that religious teacher you mentioned.

Knowledge is the key word.

Anonymous said...

Yaaa, This “Back to School” rush is coming soon. A YEARLY GUARANTEED LUCRATIVE BUSINESS INCOME.

Just imagine, each child will need the minimun RM100-RM150 for bags, shoes, uniforms, stationeries, blab bla…

Translate this into the millions going back to school soon? Who is waiting for all these Ringgits?

Some of these shopkeepers are already planning March 2009 school holidays to Taiwan, Hongkong, Australia bla bla with the whole family with this windfall income...

We have started being very CRITICAL AND SELECTIVE and observant.
Salesperson don’t answer our queries in Bahasa Malaysia, off we go to the next shop, evenif we need to drive some kilometers away. .

We prefer the bigger established outlets, where prices will be clearly tagged, so no TIPU sana sini. Most times, prices are cheaper. Sikit sebanyak, some that part of their profits will definitely go to our IRD.

And only those having Malay, Chinese, Indians and others working for them. At least we know they help Malaysians outright by giving them employments.

Calling us BODOH, KATAK BAWAH TEMPURUNG, PEMINTA SEDEKAH??? so I do hope once and for all use your heads, bila nak menghulur bayaran membeli apa saja, ask yourself this

“AM I STUPID form BODOHLAND? AM I KATAK BAWAH TEMPURUNG? AM I BEGGING THEM FOR THE ITEMS I AM PAYING FOR?"

BACK TO SCHOOL

Tam Dalyell said...

Anon of December 12, 2008 7:43 PM.

You lie. A blatant lie. Its only your word. A figment of diseased mind. No proof.

But the opposite is no lie.

The proof is the Chung Wha High Schools. The Tsun Jin Primary Schools. The thousands of SRJK(C)s.

What are these? The mother of proofs. The children here are never told anything with regards the non-chinese. Their schooling does everything. So the impressionable children do it naturally. It's also in their progenitors' gene. Segregation is their natural agenda.

To fight this is all Malaysians' natural agenda.

Yes. You cry wolf and point at the opposite direction. Your master's plan of segregation is working.

Let's see what DJZong's do next.

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I think Apocryphalyst's "The King, the Chess Champion and a Most Radical Suggestion" merits serious thoughts.

Again I stand corrected.

Anonymous said...

Ignorance,stupidity and mythology is rampant at every level and in every race. Not only in that religious teacher you mentioned.
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Yes, is does, but it is worse when it happens at courses run by the govt such as those by Biro Tata Negara !.

This is an organised attempt to polarise Malaysians especially the youth.

If done by individuals, the damage is limited but by organised entities, it is phenomenal.

Instead of promoting unity, Biro Tata Negara is well known for formenting hatred and intolerance.

Just imagine how many Malay youth go through such brainwashing and consider its multiplier effect ?.

No wonder , most of the students in Malaysia's higher education institutions are polarised.

Isn't it sad ?. What will become of our beloved Malaysia in decades to come ?.

Old Fart said...

Firstly its a fallacy to think that its the connection with the vernacular, language, culture mother tongue etc that prompts or motivates parents to send their children to vernacular schools.

National schools are rejected not so much for the language used. National schools are the first encounter a child has at the tender age of 7 and 8 to racist policies and racism. From the teachers to the administration to scholarships to book loans to marking biases. Polarisation infused by teachers themselves on Malay children that soon impacts on relationships.

Well...all these have been said before and I don't intend to repeat myself.

Of course you hear many chinese holding out such things as importance of mother tongue and so on. Yet, we all know that if only they stayed in Johor Baru, they'd be busing their kids daily to Singapore to get a Singapore English education. And for may others who migrate, its often always for the sake of the children's education..in English once again. Does not matter if the only son turns out to become more angmo!

We all know that in the late 60s and right through the 70s too the vernacular schools in the major towns, especially, were dying. It was not uncommon to find many of our classmates coming from homes where mother tongue was the only spoken language and yet parents were committed to having their kids study in English schools.

If in any debate on Education in Malaysia this point is completely left out, then all the points as has been set out in the article above becomes really pointless.

As much as it might be better for the longer term for us to have everyone study in National Schools in Bahasa Malaysia, the UMNO inspired education system has squarely been rejected and it has failed miserably.

You talk of testicular fortitude. Let me speak plain simple English. Does anyone in UMNO have the balls to say that their very inspired education system has failed and been rejected?

Real balls will be found if, rather than by legislation or order shutting down the vernacular schools, to take them on with a curriculum and a system and with people who will win the students and their parents over.

It is just cheap talk when you talk big about shutting down vernacular schools. I have no problem with the rest of the arguments about whether or not vernacular schools are superior or inferior.

However, the Ministry of Education has proven itself a total failure when it has almost completely lost out a vast population of students when it could easily have had total monopoly. They should be stopped from governing, managing and operating schools.

As for whether or not there would be lesser polarisation with a single school system, I doubt it. just look at our universities and you can see how polarised they are.

I actually advocate community run schools and the return of the English Schools that we had in the 1960s. then let all the different schools compete.

Championing vernacular schools is about one of the few icons of race based parties. If I remember correctly, in the 1960s when there was the option for Malay, English, Chinese and Tamil schools, political parties rarely bothered to champion any one school system.

I would bet returning to those days, we might just get the politicians out of our schools. Let pedagogies rule the day. And the people can choose what they want and who they want to educate their kids.

One thing that I know, when it comes to their children's education, parents don't often care who it is who is rendering it. My church's kindergarten was a preferred choice for the Malay kids living in the neighbourhood to the one a Surau had started.

Anonymous said...

No. Vernacular schools are the incubator, womb, nursery, hatchery and breeding ground of polarized Chinese ‘citizens’ who fight thong and nails for segregation, while scheming for another Singapore."
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This is your own twisted conclusion
The vernacular schools have also produced many successful industralist who have contributed to the Malaysian economy and creating jobs for all Malaysians.

But you will definitely deny with your myopic eyes.
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"Their springboard is that mother of racist DAP the menace even though they don't like each other. For decades the Gerakan (BN's bedfellow) marginalize the Malays of Penang. When the time is ripe, in order not to be too obvious, they ‘let’ DAP wins with the help of traitorous Malay PKR.

When the time is ripe again, the Malay PKR deputy CM will be kicked out. That is their modus operandi. Over YOUR dead body."

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See how your twisted mind is working. Paronoia ?.

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" You, you, you started slamming Islam. You brought Islam into this. Islam has nothing to do with vernacular schools."

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You did not read correctly, this is part of my response to the claim that vernacular school is the cause of lack of unity and polarisation.

Didn't you read in blogs of how Ustaz and Ustazah have told Malay students not to mix with the non Malays ?.

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" If the Muslims choose to be radical, you and your kinds would not last the time span for spittle to hit the ground. For to some Malay muslims, death is victory. Only they are not being pushed to that limit yet. You go on pushing. You started it."
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Come on, don't talk cock here any race can resort to voilence too but it is not going to solve anything.

See how many suicide bomber have gave their lives stupidly both in Sri Lanka and elsewhere. Its not solving or achieving anything except causing misery to the innocent.

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"The Zionists are depriving the Muslim Palestinians of everything, EVERYTHING, since WW1 and they are here still. Can you last that long? ".

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Why don't to go and help drive the Zionist out ?. They sure can use your help.
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" The govt discriminates nobody. You demonize the govt so that it is hated. So that it falls. So that Singapore’s agents the DAP and the Chinese PKR pick up the slak. They are doing it now."
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You must be reading too many story books that your imagination is running wild !.

As for discrimination, what is it when a Malay doctor's son can get to do matriculation but the non Malay hawkers son cannot eventhough both have equally good results?.
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"You discriminate the Malays because you feel you own all ..."

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Here you go again , talking cock again. How many jobs have you created for fellow Malaysian ?.

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" The sleeping Malays will just have to realize this"

???????. After some 38 years of NEP yet still cannot wake up ?. Mahathir's opium is taking effect bro.

While you get the crumbs, his son is getting the cream. I read that one of his sons has directorship in more that 100 listed companies !.

He asked the kampung Malays to study everything in Bahasa but his children studies in english in Britain.
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"You start counting your time, for we are counting too."

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Yes , everyone is counting when they are going to go back to their maker.

LipanBara said...

Followed a trail left by Voren.

Found there Izzshah on Dec 12, 2008 at 6:06 pm who says, "If you guys want to bash deminegara then do so at his/her blog la… don’t be cowards and just ‘baling batu sembunyi tangan’ here …. pathetic.." ...

Pen in few lines of invitation.

It (the comment) was moderated out. Wonder why.

lekiu said...

If only there are enough politicians willing to rally behind Mukhriz and champion the need to streamline the education system in Malaysia.

The knee jerk reaction of the DAP politicians to Mukhriz's call would and should cause alarm bells to ring lod and clear to PAS and the foolhardy Malays in Pakatan as to the bigots the DAP really are.

I cannot tell you enough how much I admire you for your "testicular fortitude".

Thank you for taking the time and effort to fight the cause.

Mat Cendana said...

[Please delete this one if it's a duplicate]
@BACK TO SCHOOL December 13, 2008 12:00 AM
Your suggestion here merits thought... No, it merits ACTION!

So, how about it then, folks? This isn't a call to "boycott Chinese businesses", for it definitely is not. It's a call "to be selective":

If the owner, who "cari rezeki" (makes a living) in Malaysia, doesn't think it important enough to learn decent Malay, why should MALAYSIANS (not "Malays" only) - including and especially those propagating "Bangsa Malaysia" - think he and his business is important enough?

Take a cue from the East Coast Chinese - especially those in Kelantan. THEY think it's important enough to learn the dialect; which means they "have respect for the environment" ... which in turn means "the environment must respect them, protect them, accept them".

Anonymous said...

Salam KijangMas..

Another nice piece of article as always from KijangMas..

I have some questions for you KijangMas..

Given the scenario now in Malaysia, how do you think the vernacular schools can be abolished without causing furor in our country? I am sure there will be riot in our country if this idea do get the momentum it needed and proceed..

What is the concrete system of our education KijangMas has in mind?

ANAK MELAYU DI RUSIA..

Anonymous said...

Demi Negara, I am sad that my dissenting argument has not seen the light in your blog.

I hope that it is because you are busy and have not moderated it and not because you are discriminating against my post.

KijangMas said...

Anonymous (December 12, 2008 7:43 PM)said:-
" ... it is not picking on you or anyone. It is just a stated fact."

“Stated fact”? “Stated” by who? Can you define what is a “fact”? Based on what empirical evidence? If I say you are a three-legged one-eyed unicorn in 20 blogs, can that be construed as “stated fact”?

Anonymous (December 12, 2008 7:43 PM)said:-
"Haven't you read in blogs about how some Malay students were warned by their religious teacher not to mix with their non Malay friends ?."

There you go again. You are again quoting your couple dozen discredited treasonous anti-Malay blogs preaching to an already converted congregation your sick hate messages against your Tuan Tanah. So a simpleton like you truly believe what is spewed in blogs? Recently, some blogs said a PKR YB had a tryst with a DAP YB in Taipei. Should I then flood the blogosphere with a definitive “I’ve read in blogs” that YB so-and-so had a tryst with YB so-and-so in x city, and then utter incredulously to skeptics “haven’t you read in blogs”? Oh yes, I read in another blog that Santa Claus was “invented” in Han China 4,000 years ago -- on top of the gunpowder, toilet paper, fax machine and dildo – and that explains the very Chinois red attire of this ho-ho-ho fella. Is that a "fact"? Well, like you said, “haven't you read in blogs”?

Anonymous (December 12, 2008 7:43 PM)said:-
"On the one hand , the differnt races are not encouraged to mix and on the other the question arises about polarisation."

Ok, on one hand, you somehow throw back the problem of “the differnt (sic) races are not encouraged to mix” to everyone except the non-Malays, but on the other hand you resist, resist and resist every conceivable attempt “to mix” these races, including calls for a unified national school system and, in the interim, the Sekolah Wawasan where the SRJK(C) and (T) would share the canteen and playing fields with the Sekolah Kebangsaan. And you have the audacity to turn up at my blog here and throw the blame at the government and the Malays now?

Walau-eh, “throwing” must be in you people’s blood. You throw not only the sampah and all sorts of sisa-sisa, you now want to throw problems you created to others as well. In the end, the only thing left to “throw” would be yourselves. Yup, why don’t you do us all a favour and “throw” yourselves to the open arms of Taiwan and Hong Kong and your Tong San motherland where you can have all the SRJK(C)s to your heart’s content. Oh, I thought they all want to learn English now?

Anonymous said...

The Mara Junior Colleges and the Matriculation courses are in effect vernacular schools for the Malays. Somehow this is left out of the equation. Sure get rid of the vernacular schools and by all means have a single school system. But that means ALL vernacular schools whether so named or not.

Jazz

KijangMas said...

Anonymous (December 13, 2008 4:55 PM) said:-
"Demi Negara, I am sad that my dissenting argument has not seen the light in your blog ... I hope that it is because you are busy and have not moderated it and not because you are discriminating against my post."

Walau-eh, WHO CARES about your happiness! You want to be "happy", I suggest you go to Unker Lim's blog. Lots of like-minded people there. Tons and tons.

And yes, I DO discriminate.

I discriminate against stupid, self-centered nincompoops who think only he/she/it uses the name "Anonymous" in the blogosphere and expect me to actually miraculously recognise he/she/it among the deluge of "Anonymii" awaiting moderation.

To "Anonymous (December 13, 2008 4:55 PM)", you think you are the ONLY “Anonymous” in the blogosphere ah? You expect me to recognise you and try to reconcile your crying pain with 300 other “Anonymous” waiting in line to be MODERATED?

Do you know what comment "Moderation" means? I suggest you ask RPK/MT people as they have lots of practise in their daily "moderating away" of 400-500 comments from Malays. And I was told (above) that Haris Ibrahim's blog is also "moderating away" opposing comments to his ongoing anti-Demi Negara incestious lovefest among their own anti-Melayu cyberspecies. Damn, I hate inbreds!

Anyway, You think I’m like you ah? Sitting in my kerusi malas staring at a cheap PC while picking my nose and removing my facial hair one-by-one with a tweezer while your various perniagaan are on autopilot courtesy of the Pendatang Tanpa Izins that your kind imported and take-advantage-of wholesale?

Lu ingat gua tadak lain keleja ka? Lu Bo Liao punya olang ka? Lain kali, kasi talok lu punya nama la. Balu gua tau lu sapa? Apasal? Lu Boh Lum Par Chee ka? Gua ingat ah, lu manyak Boh Tah, Boh Lum Par lah. Lu ada hat mau bincang baik-baik ka? Si Noong Kia! Boh Tua Boh Suay. Lu ingat gua punya keleja kasi lu happy saja ka? Lu tunggu la. Kalu lu punya tulisan kita suma boleh pakai, gua kasi “publish.”

Tapi gua tadak suka lu macam punya olang. Manyak-manyak komplen. Lu manyak suka kasi lain olang susah, gua punya partner selalu cakap lu olang bikin dia Bung Kah Tio Lam Par. Betui ka?
.

Wah lau, Unker Yew, like this oso want to kepoh-kepoh here ah? Malu lah. Damn Buay Kia Nang Tu Lan!"

To folks out there, PLEASE lah leave some other sort of ID apart from “Anonymous.”

Beginning tomorrow, Dec. 14, 2008, this blog will no longer publish “Anonymous” comments. Susah mau cari and quote and reply. Unlike the Ah Pek above, we have other things to do in life.

Anonymous said...

These people surely are throwing tantrums to desperately TRY and DECLARE openly to everyone that they are DISPLACED minorities.

SELF CENTRED with no respect and regards for the interests of other groups/races, should I list down the diversified ethnic groups that exist in MALAYSIA?

Minority group comprising hardly 30percent of our total population and out of this, if I can give my opinion, probably only half of them having these APEK ANUGEREK TONGKANG mentality? NANAH DALAM DAGING, or BISUL dalam daging?.

I think it is best we move on and leave them be.

If you are not proficient in Bahasa Malaysia as our national language and English as our second, how the heck can your children apply to serve in the Armed Forces, Police Forces, Bomba, Immigrations or other Government bodies and agencies or even to one day be our future Prime Minister?

OOOOpppsss, TERLATAH EDEN!! all of you only want your children to be TOWKEYS only, right??

TONGKANG

Apocryphalist said...

Kijang Mas,

I had wanted to say the exact same thing about irresponsible anonymous postings but I wasn't sure if it was a politically correct view in this blogosphere thing. Plus, I cannot say what is and what should never be (sorry Page-Plant-Jones-Bonham) in this blog since its not mine.

To me, if these ignoramus anonymouses do not have the hippopotamus testicularuses to even present themselves, why should ANY one read, much less heed their views? I mean, you berani lontar batu and then tak berani tunjuk tangan? Even 1st class pondans also do not act like that.

Yes. Censor out all anonymous postings EVEN though they support your views. On the other hand, you can let in those die-hard apeks shouting for malayu heads provided they give their names: for that shows they are responsible for their postings and are brave enough to be so. And if they are, let's see if they can tahan our rebuttals.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen my girlfriend Richard Cranium? I was expecting some kind of rebuttal oso laaa: waste of fingertypiiiiing jer I did preparing some backlash. Ah well, perhaps our Dickie now has resorted to his TRUER life form and are now happily mingling together with our Dalyells and Cendanas in here, sipping Kopi Misai Kucing together.

Congrats too that this blog is now mentioned in the Malay male. That's a step closer towards achieveing what I had said earlier: conveyance to bigger audience. And since we are at it, are you reading this mom? See me? I am waving.

Apocryphalist

Anonymous said...

Never mind then, no loss for us anonymous too, just continue to syiok yourself and wagg your own tail with all your ball carriers praising you.

Wah looks like you are a Chinese masuk Melayu ke !.

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Walau-eh, WHO CARES about your happiness! You want to be "happy",

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Wah orge ni kedebe betul. Orge cubo polite dia tujuk kedebe pulok

Ni tuk demo bacor buke tuk u publish. K ?

Mat Cendana said...

@KijangMas:
"Beginning tomorrow, Dec. 14, 2008, this blog will no longer publish “Anonymous” comments."

HURRAYY!! That's a big relief!

In one of my comments, I had mentioned about this difficulty in placing which Anonymous is which, and getting a headache needlessly.

I had been tempted to appeal to KijangMas to disallow comments that come only with "Anonymous" and nothing else. However, I also felt that I might be seen as "too much". So, it is a real pleasure to see that KM has made this decision himself.

Folks, I would just like to add that in this blog, the COMMENTS part is very important. That's because you won't get a once-a-week Post here (unless KM does nothing else with his life except to just maintain this blog).

As you can see, his replies and that of a few others are, by right, already posts in themselves - See the ones by Apocryphalist etc. And some of the Anonymous have also sent in opposing comments that give more value to this post and blog. But the trouble is in wanting to refer to and quote them when they have no other identity. As such, this "must put a name" to comments is welcomed.

Mat Cendana said...

There is something that I'm uneasy about - concerning a piece in Sunday Star by Huzir Sulaiman titled "A middle class Malay perspective". It's about the "Ketuanan Melayu" issue.

I've written a post about it Hijacking the Malay Middle Class with the link to the article in it.

Malaysian Tigress said...

"And since we are at it, are you reading this mom? See me? I am waving.

Apocryphalist"

Apo? Apo? Is that you? Ohhhh...my pride and joy! I see you, nak!

Sejuk hati mak dapat anak macam Apo...sob, sob, sob...

Bila nak balik tengok mak? Nanti mak masak gulai tempoyak ikan patin yang Apo gemar sangat tu, ye?

Jaga diri baik2 ye, nak!

Rimau Malaya

phoenixchoco said...

How I wish our leaders especially the PM able to express their views, opinions and thoughts in a more effective manner like what you did and subsequently have the guts to make decision based on what Malaysia really needs in the long run.

I feel so embarassed when they failed to provide constructive statements whenever they start to open their mouths.

A leader like you is what is required.

I am all for a singular education system!

cheers

KijangMas said...

Assalamualaikum Sdr. Apocryphalist,

Your thoughts and ideas in your The King, the Chess Champion and a Most Radical Suggestion piece warrant serious consideration.

Will discuss further.

Yes, Mat Cendana is a good choice as our conduit. BTW, his blog is excellent, must be given more exposure.

Anonymous said...

Saudara KM,

Beribu ampun lah, for making you ‘Tu Lan’. I had a fairly good weekend, didn’t see my Royal Flush turning up, but had a full house anyway, judging from your response, I don’t think you had one happy one. Hehe..upset by those ‘Si Noong Lia’, ‘Boh Tua Boh Suay’, you forget to mentioned ‘Boh Kar Si’types. I hope you didn’t lump me in together with that same category ‘Kwai Lan’ basket. I don’t mind going into the ‘Kay Poh Chi’ basket but instead of removing my facial hair one by one with a tweezer, I meditate & spread ‘luv’ to the sounds of Earl Klugh & Herbie Hancock. Barry White when it gets hot.

Omong,

I don’t foresee we’ll achieve anything by boycotting lah. In the bigger scheme of thing, it’ll only hurt the small cottages home grown businesses. The ‘Si Nang Kia’ll retaliate by also boycotting tit for tats & my mates Nasir the mee rebus vendor, Puteri Nasi Kandar, etc.. will also suffer too. To small business like them, 25-30% loss of business can be painful too. These small businesses are lifelines to our nation economics too, not to mention, Nasir’s supadelicious mee rebus recipe had been handed down from generations & it’ll be such a shame if it’s not carry on to the next. Having said that, by all means boycott them if they short change you, engage in dodgy/shonky practises, long faces staff, etc.

If you are so keen to boycott, I suggest u do to all the foreign owned multinational hypermarkets, Tesco, Carrefour, KFC, Macdonalds, Starbucks (especially, I very ‘Tu Lan’ with this establishment where all the wannabes hangout!). All their profit goes out of the nation, whereas the smaller businesses profit still get circulated in our nation. Ah Chong from Alisan Auto Repair, will on weekly basis treat his family out for dinner at Nasir Mee Rebus & Satay stall. I hope Apek Unker Yew economic 168, make sense to you; maybe Dato Sak will care to present it in a more professional way.

Zazaland,

Don’t lah call me an Alien, it hurt me deeply, then I’ll have to turn into HK bus unker (which is so unlike my true nature) & start calling you a Predator. BTW u r in Froggy Land too, do they call u by any rude names, u being new to their land?

Yours truly,
Unker Yew.

PS – Does this considered an anonymous comment too? If so, am I forever banished from your blog from now onwards?

Omong said...

Uncle You

it is actually a start that small fries like me can participate in

the end result is never for sure - the objective may not even be achieved

BUT we are living the concept of a majority impacting the minority

and more importantly, it is also an AWAKENING

we did steer away from non-malay muslim shops already in the past

BUT that was solely for religious reasons

NOW it is political

LipanBara said...

Anonymous of December 13, 2008 3:13 AM said...

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LB said: No. Vernacular schools are the incubator, womb, nursery, hatchery and breeding ground of polarized Chinese ‘citizens’ who fight thong and nails for segregation, . . .
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Nobody can deny it’s true. Words, your word can deny. Single picture speaks a thousand words.
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LB said: "Their springboard is that mother of racist DAP the menace even though they don't like each other. For decades the Gerakan (BN's bedfellow) marginalize the Malays of Penang. When the time is ripe, in order not to be too obvious, they ‘let’ DAP wins with the help of traitorous Malay PKR.

When the time is ripe again, the Malay PKR deputy CM will be kicked out. That is their modus operandi. Over YOUR dead body."
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Anon replied: See how your twisted mind is working.

LB says: As read from the ground up, that’s how event actually turned out . . . will turn out.
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LB said: "The Zionists are depriving the Muslim Palestinians of everything, EVERYTHING, since WW1 and they are here still. Can you last that long? ".
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Anon said: Why don't to go and help drive the Zionist out ?. They sure can use your help.

LB’s answer: Sure I will. But I’ll help drive you out first.
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LB said: " The govt discriminates nobody. You demonize the govt so that it is hated. So that it falls. So that Singapore’s agents the DAP and the Chinese PKR pick up the slak. They are doing it now."
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Anon respond: You must be reading too many story books that your imagination is running wild !.

LB says: Nooooo. Make it more dramatic. How about: CSI reveals that your massive disinformation propaganda so distract the public that almost nobody notices the turbulent undercurrent of your ‘concealed friendly manipulation’
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LB said: " The sleeping Malays will just have to realize this"

Anon: ???????. After some 38 years of NEP yet still cannot wake up ?. Mahathir's opium is taking effect bro.

LB’s response: When these ‘massive disinformation propaganda’ and the ‘concealed friendly manipulation’ are exposed, the ‘sleeping Malays’ will wake up. When they do, they don’t want the NEP any more. I repeat. They don’t want the NEP any more.
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LipanBara

Denone said...

Kijangmas,

Been missing your blog posting for the past week due to year-end `pressure' of clearing the desk, finishing unfinished work and completing incomplete assignment before the new year begin. I have to shut down my computer, otherwise I'll be hooked to this blog.

So good to `see' interesting discourse on race and ethnic relations in this blog. In fact, for those who're looking for a Ph.D research topic would consider studying what's happening in this blog (perhaps there are already someone out there busy collecting and analyzing every posting for their research). For me, it would be more interesting and meaningful if I can also get the posting that were moderated out, too.

One thing for sure now, that this blog and Kijangmas has made a huge impact, not just within blogosphere but seeping into MSM reaching for bigger audience. I once sneaked into Haris Ibrahim's blog and saw many posting discussing about your blog. That's a good sign. I supposed, all interested parties can smell, if not see, really there's an awakened tiger roaming and roaring in the blogosphere.

Suggestion about boycotting chinese businesses, I think we have to look beyond boycott. In some instances, where, the chinese outlet glaringly display Cina Bukit images, unfriendly gestures and body language and do not`show' signs of doing business non-chinese (using Mandarin signage, labels and other offensive symbols) let's not give business to them. There are many alternatives around.

I suggesting for the government, especially through local councils (Majlis Perbandaran, etc) to enforce the Bahasa Melayu ruling about display boards/labels/signage etc. It is within their authority to enforce. But again we need officers and Little Napolean with `testicular fortitude' serving in the local authority too to ACT.

Another suggestion is to eliminate the need to give chinese names in application forms used in government department. Selagi itu kita beri ruang supaya diberikan nama dalam tulisan cina, selagi itulah mereka merasakan bahawa bahasa mereka itu penting. Get rid of it. No chinese character necessary in the forms.

Any head of department reading this blog would like to take this suggestion one step further? Do not do the Perak state government stupid action of multiculturalism, by plunking 3 staff of different races at the front desk. My question is why only three races. What about Ibans, Kadazans and the Orang Asli of Perak. Don't they also deserve staff who can speak their language? This goes to show how skewed and simple-mindedness PR policy makers. I think many Malays who'd voted for PR during the PRU12 have now realised their mistakes.

Let's bring out more Little Napoleans with Testicular Fortitude among the heads of government to ACT. Yes, it's time to act and change, honey moon is over. Do whatever we can within our capacity.

Denone said...

Anonymous (December 5, 2008 11:35 PM) membebel;
"LipanBera mengapa saya ini semestinya penyokong SRJK (C). Adakah awak pernah memikir bahawa ada ramai penduduk Malaysia bukan Melayu yang sedang berusaha untuk menguasai BM. Inilah otak orang Melayu yang telah dirosakkan oleh sistem pendidikan UMNO. Mampuslah UMNO."

Berapa kerat orang bukan melayu belajar Bahasa Melayu kerana merasakan ianya tanggungjawab sebagai warganegara yang sayangkan khazanah dan resam Tanah Melayu?

Orang Melayu merasa amat terhina dan sakit hati apabila sebahagian besar orang-orang cina yang tidak tahu dan tidak mahu menggunakan bahasa Melayu. Dan akhir-akhir ini golongan Cina Bukit ini menjadi lebih kurang ajar kerana mencampuri hal ehwal agama Islam.

But I put the blame squarely on PKR Malays and some liberal (read murtad and terpesong) who are more chinese than the chinese themselves. I know very well, the chinese loves the "liberal' malays - the one who would tonggang arak, main #$%@ Amoi,berjudi, tinggal sembahyang, tak puasa and do anything that is against Malay customs and Islamic teaching. They have high praise for these people. To them, that's the true Malaysian malay which is no different from Malaysian Chinese or Indian. That's what the non-Malays want - leave our traditions and religion. So, it is us, MALAYS, who have to make more sacrifice to live in our own land. NO WAY!!!!!

SkyForce said...

Dear Kijang,

Yes, everybody is racist. That's how God made us to be what we are today. I never dare to say I'm not racist. As a matter of fact, I had mentioned before, I am not extreme racist but I am still racist.

What Omong said is considered extremely racist and a bit childish.

We should only do business with those who is able to provide the best service. Business is not about doing 'sedekah'. Indirectly, Omong had insulted the Malays businessman.

Anyway, thanks for responding.

SkyForce

Anonymous said...

Hi Unker Yew,

How's life? I see that you don't give up hope.....

You wrote,
"Don’t lah call me an Alien, it hurt me deeply, then I’ll have to turn into HK bus unker (which is so unlike my true nature) & start calling you a Predator. BTW u r in Froggy Land too, do they call u by any rude names, u being new to their land?"
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Don't be so sentimental lah Unker, you are so old already, nanti sakit siapa susah ....Oso, don't take it so personal ...With age,you forgot so many things lah...I'll help to enlighten you..

Let me explain to you why I use the word 'Alien'. According to the Times-Chambers English Dictionary,
'alien' - adj - foreign
'alienate' - verb - make strange or unfriendly
'alien to' - not in keeping with

I am not wrong in using the word ‘alien’ to describe non conformist “Malaysians” ie: the Chinese (and Indians), maybe not all. Why? Because they refuse even to move an inch for the benefit of the country. I won’t write here in detail as you obviously know it already what the majority wants in order for these people to be really accepted as ‘true Malaysians’. Why do they demand for everything and yet they still yearn for their Motherlands. They fight when there is only a suggestion to have a one system school, they want the status quo to go on and on, they want segregation for their children....They want everything to be in THEIR mothertongues too. Hey this is Malaysia, man!! Di mana bumi di pijak di situ langit di junjung.

If it is like this, why can’t they just pick up their bags and go.....BASTA!!!! ADIOS !!! Go back to their MOTHERLANDS and don’t have to feel like aliens.

They don’t give a heck about BM, the feelings of the majority, Islam etc. When they are not happy, they just say what they like, they open their mouth and say it out loud “it’s freedom of expression”, without even thinking about other peoples’ feelings....But they underestimate us, the Malays, they think they can ‘bully’ us ALL the time. But, not anymore, thanks to blogs like Kijangmas, Jebat etc, we can voice our opinions too.

Can you imagine Unker Yew what is going to happen to Malaysia, the Tanah Air Tercinta in a few years time if this goes on. You have to understand the feelings of the Malays too, you know.

Fyi, Unker, I don’t have problems in Froggyland. I have stayed for donkey years here and I am one of them now. Nobody calls me names. Why? I speak/read/write their language, know and RESPECT their culture, their politics, their food etc etc. Also, I don’t ‘goyang kaki’ here, I am a ‘working girl’ you know. I work in a mini ‘UN organisation’, I am at par with anyone here, well, you can say that I adjust well.....Now, I even curse like them ....Here, language plays a part to ‘unite’ everyone. When we open our mouth, we use the Froggy language and not any other language ........Get my drift, Unker..? There are no vernacular schools here. Everything is in the FROGGY language. The native Froggies are very proud people.

(The ‘so-called Malaysians’ will not have any chance with them, that I can guarantee you. The Malays/Bumis in Malaysia are very accomodating and too nice towards the non Malays).

Remember what I just said, DI MANA BUMI DI PIJAK DI SITU LANGIT DI JUNJUNG, unlike some ‘so-called Malaysians’ who refuse to adjust till today but me, I adjusted.

I was given a ‘real’ card, not the ‘green’ one mind you, but I gave it back as my heart is still in the Nusantara. I can never be an angmo. I love being a Malay lass.

Now, I think you better relax lah Unker........I don’t want you to get sick lah...nanti you cannot join Kijangmas in Bukit/Phuket ......to have a drink ....and ogling.....

Hey Kij, what about me? Can I join you guys?...

zazaland

sam said...

Isu mengenai sekolah vernikular ini memang dekat di hati kerana saya mengambil jurusan pendidikan dulu. anak-anak semua sekolah kebangsaan. Org Melayu semenanjung tapi lama di Sabah. berkahwin dengan orang tempatan (pribumi sabah)jadi pemerhatian saya adalah banyak dipengaruhi oleh keadaan setempat.

Keputusan peperiksaan anak saudara yang sekolah vernakular semuanya tidak sebaik dengan yang bersekolah kebangsaan. ada yang bersekolah hanya hingga tingkatan 3. sedangkan yang sekolah kebangsaan melanjutkan pelajaran tinggi. saya tertanya-tanya kenapa, kerana mereka banyak kerjarumah. ada berlambak tuisyen lagi. jadi apa silapnya sehingga mereka tidak cemerlang seperti anak saudara saya yang bersekolah di sekolah pendalaman sabah dan dapat mencapai semua A? walau tidak ada tuisyen.

Rata-rata anak saudara yang bukan berketurunan cina menyesal bersekolah vernakular. Dulu semua diberitahu bahawa sekolah cina matematiknya bagus. yang pasti anak-anak yang bersekolah kebangsaan jauh cemerlang matematiknya, sains, juga BM dan BI. melihat sepupu-sepupu yang bersekolah kebangsaan dan mendapat keputusan cemerlang, mereka tahu mereka boleh membuat perkara yang sama juga. Mereka tahu penguasaan bahasa malaysia {utk exam} dan inggeris mereka ketinggalan. walau yang berbangsa cina, mereka susah untuk membaca tulisan cina. apa lagi ingin menguasai bahasa inggeris.

satu yang saya puji di sabah ni, walau apa bangsa hampir semua boleh bercakap melayu. Keluarga kami tiada yang cakap macam cina bukit, lu atau gua kat sini. mungkin sebab ahli keluarga adalah pribumi sabah. hari tu, semasa anak saudara yang berketurunan cina berkahwin, ada sesi karoake. ada pemuda cina yang menyanyi lagu melayu dan kadazan. walau ada sikit pelat... dia nyanyi juga. saya berikan tepukan gemuruh. Pemerhatian anak saudara (keturunan cina} mengenai perhubungan kaum di semenanjung... 'tiap-tiap bangsa hanya bergaul dengan kaum mereka saja.' saya tak dapat nak jawap apa. di sini saya dilayan dengan baik walau saya berlainan kaum, negeri dan agama dari mereka. mereka menghormati siapa saya dan saya menghormati siapa mereka.

berbalik kepada sekolah vernakular... anak saya yang tua diterima masuk ke matrikulasi. dia belajar di sana lebih sebulan sebelum dia keluar untuk mengikuti jurusan yang dia lebih minati. ketika di matrikulasi, ada pelajar keturunan cina juga belajar di sana. dari kawannya diketahui beberapa 'penipuan' yang diberitahu oleh orang-orang dewasa seperti guru kepada anak-anak murid mereka. Entah apa lagi yang diberitahu kepada anak-anak ini semasa mereka kecil. bila di matrikulasi dan duduk bersama dengan bangsa-bangsa lain baru mereka kenal antara satu sama lain. dan kerana anak saya berani bertanya kepada saya maka saya dapat menerangkan apa-apa yang mereka kelirukan. yang bagusnya kawan dia ingin bertanya. itu sebab boleh diketahui pandangan serongnya. bagi yang tidak bertanya dan sentiasa berkumpul sesama mereka... mereka akan sentiasa hidup dalam salah sangka dan prejudis mereka.

Saya memilih pengajaran sains dan matematik di ajar dalam bahasa inggeris atas dua sebab : 1. sebagai ibu bapa senang untuk mencari bahan untuk rujukan kepada anak-anak. website atau software menarik banyak dalam bahasa inggeris. ini menjadikan pelajaran menarik. diaorang tidak bosan.
2. jika kita boleh membuat website atau software yang bagus maka pasaran kita adalah semua populasi yang berbahasa inggeris seluruh dunia. dari situ kita boleh mula menjadi pengeluar dan bukan hanya kekal sebagai pengguna teknologi.
untuk matapelajaran lain boleh dalam bahasa malaysia.

dulu semasa menonton cerita di tv, saya selalu sakit hati bila cerita kegemaran terutama cerita korea di alih bahasa ke bahasa lain yang bukan Bahasa Malaysia. saya perhatikan para pengiklannya... ini adalah syarikat-syarikat yang merasakan bahawa populasi yang tidak berbahasa cina tidak cukup duit untuk membeli barangan mereka. jadi saya tidak membelanjakan wang saya untuk menyokong syarikat mereka atau menonton drama atau movie tersebut. Tukar saluran. atau tutup TV. surf internet. saya suka bahasa asal walau apa bahasa sekali sesuatu cerita itu. dari situ kami belajar bahasa-bahasa lain di dunia. walau tidak menguasai tapi boleh lah... faham perkataan yang senang-senang. setiap bahasa ada keindahan dan keunikannya. saya rasa chauvanis cina ni lama-lama akan ketinggalan dan menjadi tidak relevan kerana mereka tidak melihat betapa luas dan indah dunia dengan kepelbagaian budaya dan bahasa yang ada. mereka hanya ingin duduk di bawah tempurung mereka. takut identiti mereka hilang jika mereka bercakap dan berinteraksi dengan orang lain. kita yang lain-lain ni... kita perbaiki diri sendiri. Be the best that we can be! jika kita sudah membuat yang terbaik... tiada apa yang kita perlu kesalkan.

Diaorang nak anak mereka belajar matematik dan sains dalam bahasa Cina. saya cakap... biarkan. mereka tidak sedar bagaimana payah anak-anak itu nanti ingin menguasai bahasa lain bila masuk ke sekolah menengah nanti. mereka sedang memusnahkan diri sendiri. apa kita nak buat kalau itu pilihan mereka. sifat semulajadi kehidupan adalah semakin berkembang dan membangun. lihat saja alam ini, cakrawala dan tumbuhan semakin hari semakin berkembang dan membesar. boleh disekat pembesaran tumbuhan? atau menyekat pembesaran cakrawala? bila kita buat begitu maka kita mula memusnahkannya. kita yang lain-lain ni perlu belajar untuk berkembang dengan melihat modul-modul berjaya yang lain. itu sebab diadakan 'look east policy' dulu. supaya kita melihat modul lain dan cuba adaptasi akan keadaan sendiri. cadangan saya... kita buat sekolah kebangsaan yang lagi bagus. antaranya...

saya suka kalau anak saya dulu di sekolah rendah dapat belajar bahasa ketiga seperti Mandrin. kita pastikan semua lepasan sekolah kebangsaan menjadi sekurang-kurangnya trilingual.

saya juga suka kalau anak saya pandai melukis dan boleh menghargai lukisan dan muzik. apresiasi bahasa juga.

saya mahu mereka belajar mengendali kewangan. melabur. mencari jalan menjana wang. money is ideas in motion. anak-anak selalunya kreatif. mereka boleh belajar menjadi pengeluar dan bukan hanya pengguna.

hah...banyak yang perlu dipelajari! yang penting bukan belajar untuk pas periksa saja dan dapat A tapi belajar untuk menjadikan ianya tabiat atau amalan hidup seharian yang baik serta boleh menyelesaikan masalah dan berfikir dengan baik.

we are work in progress. we'll get there. we are God's creature after all. throw away hate and fear. we'll be the best that we can be! Trust in Allah!

KijangMas said...

Zazaland said:-
"Now, I think you better relax lah Unker........I don’t want you to get sick lah...nanti you cannot join Kijangmas in Bukit/Phuket ......to have a drink ....and ogling..... Hey Kij, what about me? Can I join you guys?..."

Zazaland, YES you can.

Unker Yew, invite's withdrawn. Sorry, the Mademoiselle's prettier than you. Paham-paham la, Ah Pek. Pls carry on with your vice. Make sure you don't end up like the loser at the end of this game.

Anonymous said...

Unker Yew,

Just to add a little bit (with regards to my post): you can also say that I ADAPT well in Froggyland. Hence, you have

ADAPTATION / INTEGRATION / ASSIMILATION

This is what the non Malays/non Bumis in Malaysia should have in their mindset and strive for the well being of the country rather than to fight for SEGREGATION. Btw,who is practising 'Apartheid' here?

Unker, I can write non stop but I prefer to stop now 'cos Kij is waiting .......

Ta ta !!! Bye bye !!!

zazaland

Ron J. said...

Sorry to intrude.

Hey Unker Yew, the psychopants at Haris Ibrahim's blog defined you as "one of the multiplicity of surrealism floating in the DN quadrant of cyberspace."

Ouch. That's all the English I can take in a day.

Isn't that somethin'. So you are not real? Are you just an Apek impersonator from Tanah Merah, Kelantan?

Wait till Zazaland hears this.

Anonymous said...

KijangMas
Ref: Sam December 15, 2008 9:54 AM
Once I posted somewhere in your blog inviting a Mr so and so to make it a point to take his family for a visit to Sabah during this long school holidays?

Unker Yew, it sure is a nice place for a change, to RELAX and ENJOY,

Welcome to Sabah.

Infact, we should seriously organize special tours for the ALL from Semenanjung, instead of going to Taiwan, HongKong, Mainland China, Australia, India etc.

Beautiful places, the untouched Danum Valley, Mount Kinabalu, Sipilok Orang Utans and pygmy elephants and Bajau horses for the children, Sipadan for divers and the FOOOOOD, fresh from the sea and from the vegetable plots so on so on so on.

… AND how the dozens of ethnic groups communicate with ease, using our National Language, BAHASA MALAYSIA.

Hello Datuk Azalina, perhebatkan lagi program “CUTI CUTI DALAM MALAYSIA”,

and

Hello Mr Fernandos, please give special good airfares for this purpose “KNOCK DOWN KENALI MALAYSIA
FARE”.

KijangMas, please also help make arrangements that Hotels too give special discounts.. (Ini masih mahal disana).

ORANG SUNGAI SEGAMA

Tarchornis said...


Omong said...
I have consciously started checking out whether the shop owner is Malay or Chinese when I stopped at the R&R along the highways.

I was about to pay for my purchase when I realised the cashier is Chinese. I put back my tidbits and went over to the other shop where the workers are Malays and purchased from them.
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SkyForce said...
To Omong,

What is wrong with u? 
I believe the Japanese killing your people during World War 2 is more 'dosa' than what chinese did today.

Do u buy Japanese product???
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Kijangmas said:
"Sky Force and Anonymous (December 10, 2008 10:59 PM),

Why do you people care if Omong buys from a non-Chinese shop?

Isn't your disapproval of Omong buying from a Malay shop reflect YOUR own racism? So Omong MUST buy only from your Chinese shops? Wah, business-by-force ah?"
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Kijangmas,

With all due respect, I must disagree with you on this one. The issue they had with Omong is not so much that he chose to patronize a malay shop, but he chose not to patronize a shop due to the appearance of the owner/workers, (i.e. looks chinese) It's something they can't help, they were born that way. In fact the owner might not even BE a chinese, I have several Thai and Malay friends who look Chinese and routinely get mistaken for Chinese.)

The stereotyping of all chinese-looking people as greedy money grubbing chauvinists disturbs me. Admittedly, a portion of them are like that, but not ALL chinese are like that, just as NOT all malays are the stereotyped lazy depend-on-NEP types. It's dangerous to demonize your opponents, because when that happens all rationality goes out the window.

The really dangerous thing about this kind of thinking it also affects the innocent bystanders: the rare occasional rational minded chinese. (those who actually try to be true malaysians, who stay away from racism by their own people and are ostracized for it by them, who speak BM and patronize malay shops. Yes they still exist although they are getting to be an endangered species). They get caught in the crossfire despite NOT being a racist chinese.

What will they think when they come across comments like Omong's and Phonont's, or receive treatment like what they have described? Eventually they come to the conclusion it makes no difference how much they try to masuk melayu. So they end up giving in to the racism and are driven into the arms of the people who are prepared to accept them based on their skin colour: the hardcore racist chinese.

I fear for the Kelantanese Chinese, who are fast becoming extinct. I see them leave KB for KL to work and then find out they are discriminated and boycotted against because of their chinese names (sarong and kebaya norwithstanding). I've seen the change in so many of them after a few years in KL. It is frightening to see how they morph from pleasant, patriotic people who have had no issues with the malays into angry, bitter, ranting racists, trying to be more Chinese than the West Coast Chinese.

While I can understand the anger of Omong and Phonot at those they feel have wronged them, please don't react by punishing a potentially different group for the sins of others. It may feel good to strike back but realistically IT WILL NOT SOLVE ANYTHING. It just makes things worse.

If their actions DO strike home and affect the racists, do you really think they will go: "Oh No! My profits! I'm so sorry! I'll be good!" Of course not. The racists will just take it as justification to be MORE racist against the malays. "See? I told you those malays are racist! They will never accept you no matter what you do. Why do you want to mix with them and speak their language? The Chinese must stick with the Chinese!"

And if their actions affect those who aren't racists, even the moderate chinese end up becoming racists because they are treated as if they WERE racists. It's a "damned if I do, damned if I don't situation".

Now if the store owner is openly racist (you know, refuses to hire malays, openly rude to malays, openly supports racist politicians) then by all means, boycott the heck out of him.

But do it because he, the individual who owns the shop, is a PROVEN racist, NOT because some members of his race happen to be racist.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. It only takes one person reacting to racism against the wrong person unjustly to create another racist.

Pointing fingers and saying "YOU STARTED IT." isn't going to heal any wounds or get us anywhere as a country, I fear.

Not while the cycle of blame goes on like this.

ipv6 said...

after 50 decades, sadly some still technicaly immigrant to the core, albeit bearing a blue ic.

Tarchornis said...

Malaysian Tigress Said:
Similarly, we have the chinese (not all) practising their own brand of discrimination against the Malays and Indians. I know. I have experienced it all first hand. They look at us as if we are aliens. You smile at them and their faces are frozen, half expecting you to ask for a donation or something.


Oooooooooooooooh, so that's why when I smile at a random person I do not know (whether it be the fellow shopper at the local store, or the old makcik selling the ikan bakar, or the bored-looking teller at the government office) I usually get this bewildered look on their faces in return.

I'm glad to report most of them smile back once they get over their shock though.

satD said...

eh does anybody notice the "bug" in "links to this post" at the bottom of everyblog in blogspot

mademoiselle zazaland..you can call me anytime... wink wink..

but i guess ur taken by our charming n witty blogmaster here... :(

asri said...

The intention to have one schooling system in our country is very noble. However looking at current situation i.e the acceptance of inhabitants populating the land, only (and solely) the POLITICAL WILL of various component party leaders can initiate some meaningful progress.

This is a sad but true fact in this country where political force is and has been dominating almost all elements in the society - sports, businesses, infra projects, education etc.

Anonymous said...

Salam Makchik Omong,

Saya berasa terima kasih kepada mem, kerana eja “U.N.C.L.E” yang betul. Sebabnya itu saya ingat umur kita lebih kurang sama saja lah, u can call me Illya Kuryakin lain kali. Kawan saya Encik Solo sudah jadi Little Napolean kat Majlis Kebandaran diseluruh Negara. Saya setuju jika mem mahu ‘boycott’ if it pleases u lah, sebab ini bukan breaking law, betul tak? Minta maaf, kalau BM uncle ni, rusty sikit kerana sudah lama hanya pakai bahasa orang putih dalam perkerjaan. Also nobody is a “small fries” in the eye of the Lord, & so it should be lah.

Zazaland,
TQ for taking the trouble & time to ‘give’ me a good hiding. (Next time wear your leather jacket & whips, ouch!) I see the tots you’d put in to come out with that. I like to agree with u totally but I would be lying, we must stay true & honest with each other. I’d got your ‘drift’ too, it’s not Chanel #5, I think it’s Cacharel Amor Amor but it’s more likely to be Cacharel Anais Anais for the ultra feminine in u.

Also I admire u for being openingly declaring you new found life style, {tho I’m ok with that} but I think u had offended a lot of those ‘ZaZaboom” zealots characters on there.

KM,
Hey Peng Eu, u tak cukup member lah, why lah u potong jalan after I’d put in all the groundwork. Ini macam tak malu kah? Orang cina kata u “Wai Hai Seh”, faham tak? Now satD is getting into the act too, cheeky SOB that one!

Ron,
Next time u nak pakai unker punya nama, tolong minta authorisation first. No worry, this time no major damage done. Jangan cuba pakai gua punya Amex platinum card, ok? Yes those jokers over at Haris’ are abit cocky & r smart arses too. Tapi itu FARIDA perempuan, saya ingat dia ni ada ‘hot’ sikit. Orang putih acronym “For A Ringgit I Do Anything”. Itu Shar101, berlagak terror, mau tulis macam orang Skippy, nanti saya squeeze his gonads, rip his donger off & chuck it into a BBQ. Then u got this Helen Ang, dia itu perangai macam “Si Tao Por”, kadang2 orang pangil “Seh Putt Por”. “Wei shern mok ni yao chiang cho turk”? Tapi itu Haris nampak macam gaya Steven Segal (pony tail 7 all), I takut nanti kena belasah sama dia.

Ini sudah jadi macam “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon”drama i.e. DN dan Unker respectively lah memang. Chow Yun Fatt nearly look as good as Unker lah, no “hao lian” one.

Relax gang,
Uncle Yew.

Omong said...

so now that Uncle You admits he has no monopoly over great wisdom
may we then have his blessed permission to discuss serious matters

in KijangMas’ words “it is time for all patriotic Anak-Anak Bangsa Malaysia to rise and question the many social anomalies and maladies propagated by these same treasonous reactionary forces that have effectively short-circuited our nation building process”

and in zazaland’s words “kesian Malaysia”

Denone said...

ipv6 (December 16, 2008 7:17 AM)said...
after 50 decades, sadly some still technicaly immigrant to the core, albeit bearing a blue ic.

50 decades? You mean 5 decades (= 50 years).

You comment is too brief, difficult to read where you're coming from.

I would say "spiritually immigrant to the core."

As of now, it's like chicken and egg issue. The Malays generally argue that the Chinese (esp) are not 'Malaysian' enough in the eyes of the Malays. Their allegience is not solely to this Malay Land. They are seen to be very opportunist ready to move a greener pasture (read wealth). They do not subscribe to the Malay worldview "Hujan emas di negeri orang, lebih baik di negeri sendiri" which Malays on the whole hold dear.

On the other hand, the Chinese, esp.of late, are arguing that, they have not been accepted as truly Malaysia enjoying full benefit as a citizen of a country.

So, let debate.

ipv6? is it NAv6 now?

Anonymous said...

Omong,
In all seriousness, let us look at this simple analogy:- World Cup Football Final Game.

People involved: (numbers involved, gasak buta only, so don’t correct me, ok?)

a. Worldwide TV audience:- 1 billion people (Armchair critics / couch potatoes / best players)

b. Spectators on ground:- 100,000 people (supporters, Home & Away + neutrals + hooligans + best refereeing officials).

c. Match officials:- 1 referee, 2 linesmen, 5 reserves + 15 other FIFA officials & hanger-on.

d. Players/Coach:- 20 each sides so = 40 people {22 on field actually playing, most will get badly battered & bruised & sledged}.

e. VIPs / Sponsors / Technical staff / Security personnel dan lain lain:- 1500 people. (Neutrals / autograph seekers)

In the real scenario, only 25 people (players + officials) can actually determine the OUTCOME OF THE GAME i.e. Win or Lose. The coach, reserve players and match officials can also play a part on the outcome, not to mention Luck too or sometimes like Maradonna ‘Hand of God’ miracle.

Spectators on ground too will play a part too, with their cheering, jeering, throwing of missiles, making monkey noises, firing flares etc. But the 25 players & officials are suppose to be highly paid professionals & should not be influenced or intimidated by the crowds. All are playing on a level playing field & adhere to the same strict rules & regulations but alas some may take drugs prior to tournament, some may take a dive, tackle from behind, etc.{Blood rule applies, Red Card for blatant foul play}.

Now, Omong, my question to you is which category do you belong to?

Definitely not (c ), (d) or (e), correct? Ahhhh…now what’s on your mind is;- What about you, Unker? Well good question indeed. That’s where the Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon thingy comes into the equation. For your curiosity, let’s say; I’m neutral & would like to see the best team win, albeit all fair & square. Why again? Because I’m in another category of fish here altogether; a Punter or A Bookie. I won’t confirm which but can either have an influence on the outcome of the ‘game’? Well………depending on how much are at stake.

Hmmmm………………...Maybe I’m just an ordinary Autograph seeker or a down & out romantic violin player.

Go sleep on it, & see who ARE the real serious one here? There, I’ve shown you my cards. You call a spade a spade but I call it a f**king shovel; sorry madam, this is the world according to Unker Wank Kerr.

Regards,
Manusia biasa, man on the street.

Uncle Yew010 {dua bulat, satu tajam), unlike Shar101

msleepyhead said...

Kinda late back to reply but...regarding the teaching of science and mathematics in english, there are really two issues here - the teaching of science and maths and the teaching of english.

a person good in maths is usually also good in science, as maths is the language of science after all, therefore it is best to get the foundation right.

to be proficient in english is another matter altogether and other ways can be used to improve that aspect, other than just merely through teaching it at science and maths.

if we talk about scientific publications, then of course, english is the international medium. does that mean we should teach geography in english as well since all the reputable publications are also in that language. why only science and maths, why not just science or maths alone?

personally i feel that there should have been a single school system for everyone and i've already stated why it most likely didn't take place.

i believe we're seeing a reversal of the integration that took place a few decades ago. those of the 60s to 80s generation would agree that the races got along better and more non-malays spoke fluent malay.

the thing is integration into the single main culture - which is malay will be impossible because of the religiosity attached to it. embracing malay culture is 'associated' with islam as being malay IS also islam. although it should not be so, but we know how much Islam has been pushed into the forefront of everyday life. There is nothing wrong with that as it is the official religion, but it has also been promoted as such to be something exclusive to the malays. therefore the obama analogy of embracing the mainstream american culture is difficult to be replicated here.

a better analogy would be the incentive or 'what's in it for me?' obviously in america, the mainstream culture is dominant and being part of it means an upward mobility for the new immigrant.

here we have immigrants that does not need the mainstream culture to survive as seen by the various dropouts still able to earn a living as car mechanics or pirated dvd peddlers, in fact what's more worrying is degree holders not able to get jobs and become a burden to the government in further training, jobs and so on.

so malays, being the majority, being the leaders of the country will have to decide how they wish to integrate these citizens. perhaps a stop at double standards, award non-malays who speak fluent malay.

and we have seen people of other races becoming malay after a generation simply by embracing islam and practicing the malay culture hence constitutionally becoming a malay.

all the racial profiling has got to stop?

Anonymous said...

Omong,

Come New Year, will be the official opening of a large a Halal Hub Shopping centre (the Warta old building by the roadside).

Am very happy, at least we can be more confident that goods sold monitored and endorsed HALAL. It is quite a drive away from our homes, but it is worthwhile to give our undivided support.

At least we will be more comfortable shopping with those yang BERBAHASA KEBANGSAAN, senang sikit nak faham bila membeli barang.

Hope they will open more of these outlet nationwide. Please spread the words around.

We are all holding back our kids “Back to School” items purchases at the moment, hopefully if they sell these items there, we plan to do all our shopping there.

HAPPY SHOPPING AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR. MUDAH MUDAHAN TAHUN BARU INI AKAN MEMBERI BANYAK KESEDARAN KEPADA KITA.

I LOVE MALAYSIA

Asri said...

Have a read on Prof Khoo Kay Kim's letter today in the Sun newspaper (Page 28). I'm glad to observe more non-malays are putting their effort publicly onto the subject. Ridzwan Tee Abdullah is another good example. We must support them.

KijangMas said...

Eyes Wide Open (December 10, 2008 9:00 PM) said:-
“I am neither for or (sic) against vernacular schools, but I am for parents' freedom to choose whichever form of education they deem best for their children.”

What does “freedom to choose” entails to you?

“Freedom to choose” an education stream conducted in the national language of an alien nation and the language of a state of yet another foreign nation that would make the pupils future “outcasts” of Malaysian society due to their inability to speak Bahasa Malaysia, the National Language, as well as English at a level sufficient for interaction with the Malay majority and other ethnic groups in this country?

Isn’t it the role of the elected government of the day of any democracy to streamline that country’s social milieu, to create the cohesion necessary for long term harmony and, indeed, sustainability of that society itself?

Are vernacular schools part of this jigsaw and form the building blocks towards the formation of our own cohesive Bangsa Malaysia?

Is your “freedom to choose” available in any other nation?

Do you think the U.S. will allow a chunk of its populace to attend schools taught predominantly in Mandarin or Tamil or Spanish or French or German or Swahili, let alone for that government to finance these schools? What about Australia? New Zealand? Britain? I thought these are multi-ethnic liberal democracies? What about your role model, Singapore? Show us an SRJK(C) and (T) equivalent in Singapore? Mind you, Mandarin and Tamil are official languages in Singapore. But how come no Mandarin- and Tamil-centric schools there? Here in Malaysia, only Bahasa Malaysia has official status and nowhere is “Mandarin” or “Tamil” mentioned anywhere on any matter in the federal constitution . But we tolerate these colonial relics for 51 YEARS out of the sikap berbesar hati of the Orang Melayu.

And please don’t give us the “enshrined in the Constitution” crap because that’s just another fairytale propagated and sustained by treasonous elements and condoned by the country’s inept and indecisive leadership.

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“If being multi-language (sic) was the barrier to anything, the great explorers of the past would never have ventured beyond their own villages.”

What kind of perverse logic is this? Why you equate “multi-lingualism” with barriers? So you see mastery of Bahasa Malaysia as some kind of barrier, hence the need to steadfastly cling to some foreign language (not even your real “mother” tongue) that represents your ancestors’ country of origin even after your kinds have set your roots here for over a century?

Look, the sure thing is that the likes of Cortez, Da Gama, Balboa, Cook, Diaz, Tasman, Drake, Livingstone, Cheng Ho, Magellan and Raleigh would NOT have been able to raise either political support nor funding nor manpower if their respective expeditions were a hodge podge non-cohesive collection of their version of the SRJK products of many languages. Yes, the great explorers were able to venture out of their villages and ultimately conquer the world BECAUSE their compatriots were cohesive, driven men speaking in one dominant language, and this language dominance allowed them to tolerate and absorb speakers of other tongues as their expeditions transgressed into “uncharted” territories populated by a myriad of cultures and languages.

Of course, when these explorers actually arrived in the “uncharted” lands, they have no choice but to conceive various methodologies to communicate with the “natives.” Multi-lingualism in their cases was due to sheer necessity. But in Malaysia, the non-Malays were born here (many of the 3rd-4th generation) and SHOULD have been able to learn, absorb and adopt Bahasa Malaysia from the very beginning of their lives as Warganegaras of this country.

Again, the bizarre example concocted by “Eyes Wide Open” is reflective of the sheer bankruptcy of points and the utterly indefensible position of the anti-national chauvinists in their resistance to national integration and nation building via a singular school system and a common language for the Anak Bangsa Malaysia.

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“Heck, even residents in different areas of London city can't understand each other sometimes because of the various dialects spoken.”

So are you inferring that as a consequence there are SRJK (Cockney), SRJK (Geordie), SRJK (Yorkshire) and SRJK (East Anglian) and other dialect-based SRJKs in England?

I don’t think so.

They may speak variants of English like Benny Hill, Jackie Stewart, Alex Ferguson or the assorted Fawlty Towers characters, BUT they ALL go to schools taught in standard QUEEN’S ENGLISH to ensure conformity and linguistic homogenization at least at the public level.

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“… I have students who can only speak Tamil. Do I reject them the opportunity to learn because I can't speak Tamil? NO! I speak to him as much as he understands in whatever language he understands that I am capable of speaking. And thank God I have staff who can speak Tamil so I can communicate more effectively with him!”

I don’t get it. You mean you actually perpetuate this poor kid’s severe language disadvantage (a Tamil-only speaker in Malaysia) by catering to HIS language preference in your classroom? Oh dear. How the heck is this Tamil-speaking kid going to be ready for national level exams in BM/BI and subsequent vocational pursuits if he goes through school (with your irresponsible collaboration) knowing only Tamil? What type of school again you claim to teach? If it’s true (which I doubt), your weird approach will seal the fate of this Tamil-only speaker to a life of manual labour or crime as there is no way he can comfortably cari makan here with only Tamil speaking/writing abilities.

Folks, see the extent these anti-Malay chauvinists are willing to go just to spurn the National Language, even if they have to create generation after generation of functional illiterates totally alienated by mainstream Malaysiana. It makes me sick!

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“It is the same for all my other students. I converse with them in Mandarin, Cantonese, Bahasa Melayu, English and even the few words of Hokkien, Tamil or Japanese that I know! Anything to get my message across.”

Hey buddy, you are supposed to teach class in the language stated in the curriculum – the books, handouts and reference sources. How can you shuffle around the room and utter phrases in “Mandarin, Cantonese, Bahasa Melayu, English and even the few words of Hokkien, Tamil or Japanese” to different students in the same classroom on the same subject? Tell us, how the heck the students communicate with one another in your class if you layan and propagate their inclination towards whatever language they bring to class from their homes? Is this what “education” is all about?

You ought to be investigated by the Education Ministry! No. You ought to be incarcerated …… at the local SPCA.

Tell me this can happen anywhere else on earth? Where? My second hometown of Los Angeles has 127 official ethnic groups and a public school would typically have 80 ethnicities depending on the neighbourhood. You think the Angeleno school teacher will teach her class in Korean, Tagalog, Cambodian, Ukrainian, Yiddish, Spanish and Armenian at the same time ..... and not be chucked into a mental institution?

No. The language in all LA (and American) schools – public, private, seminary, whatever – is ENGLISH. Only ONE language. And the same should be in MALAYsia – Bahasa MALAYsia.

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“To effectively build national unity, yes the schools play a role. But more importantly, national unity is a mindset and it is nurtured in the FAMILY.”

O.k. Can you tell us how YOU can inculcate national unity among pupils of your hyperlingual class? What do you think their families talk about in their homes? Have YOU made any attempt to calibrate the minds of these students towards a singular national identity, the Anak Bangsa Malaysia, which they will then take home to enlighten their families? Could you? Indeed, how could you when YOU YOURSELF confusingly go around your classroom stuttering in a half-dozen pidgin street dialects to a bunch of confused students.

Anyway, what common language should this Bangsa Malaysia speak? Why? Why not Bahasa Malaysia, the sole National Language?

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“The real problem of why national unity is lacking lies with the people who hold on to narrow communal sentiments, and one way this is expressed is holding on to the vernacular school system for whatever reasons of security it provides them. These same people would kick up helluva fuss if forced to part with their source of comfort.”

Ok. Good to see you are capable of seeing the light. You should have stopped here and then work with the Demi Negara community on ways to implement a smooth transition for the interim generation of children caught between their defunct vernacular schools and the national schools.

BUT you spoil the plot by uttering:-
“Sure, you can make them, but will it address the deeper issue of their own personal worldview? If these people are FORCED to give up what they hold dear in favour of what they see as "inferior" or "not belonging to them", will they become more united or more polarised? Well, they may become more united - against the people who forced their hand!”

Look, this is part and parcel of nation building lah! No pain, no gain. Every nation, every society, every civilization will need the necessary calibration of their multifarious milieu, and the education system is one of the many nuts and bolts of these building blocks of nationhood.

Don’t you read history? I thought you are “an educator”? Do you know how China was unified in ancient times? By allowing 800 different types of SRJKs to cater to the innumerable regional languages and dialects in that vast land? Do you know how Mandarin was imposed on the hitherto heterogeneous populace speaking over a thousand languages and dialects? And in recent times, do you think Mao allowed his classrooms to be conducted in Hokkien, Hakka, Uighur, Manchurian, Teochew, Hainanese and hundreds of other tongues?

Show us your fantasized utopia, where the various races and tribes can indulge in whatever suits their own little cocoons and comfort zones without regard and oblivious to the interests of the general populace, for the greater public good? How about Somalia?

So yes, we should expect resentment and some degree of resistance by anti-Malay chauvinists such as Eyes Wide Open here. That’s a natural and expected “cost” of nation building throughout history. But this nation must face and overcome all these "costs" for the greater public good of our future generations. Thailand overcame that in the late 1930s. Indonesia in the mid-1960s.

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“In my school days, Chinese and Tamil schools were widely regarded as second-grade institutions. Only the less-educated and economically-backward families (hawkers, labourers, etc) would send their kids to these schools. They were seen as having cultural hang-ups that prevented them from moving forward in life – and that was why they remained in the lower levels of society... Most forward-looking Chinese and Indian parents then would not dream of sending their kids to these schools. They only saw hope in mission schools (where English was still the main medium) or national schools (Malay-medium) as these were seen as the only way their kids could survive in Malaysia and the world at large. Even Chinese-educated parents who managed to work their way up in life (like my father) wanted us to either go to a mission school or national school.”

Yes, those were the days when this nation had some hope of transforming the non-Malays into acceptable citizens with sufficient affinity with the Malay majority via mastery of the national language (and English as well) and reasonable comprehension of the Malay culture, which forms the basis of Malaysian civilization. I’ve narrated in detail in other postings in this blog about my own childhood (in PJ, Selangor) where my buddies – in school and in play – cut across racial lines, where we commingled effortlessly and communicated seamlessly in BM and English.

So what happened?

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“The simple answer is - most non-Malay parents feel that the national school system is not good enough.”

No.

This is the most persistent Chinese Urban Legend in this country.

The estrangement was actually precipitated by the treasonous anti-Malay racist instigations of the Chinese-based political parties led by the DAP and Chinese educationists such as the subversive Dong Jiao Zong (United Chinese School Teachers Association). The psyche of the ethnic-Chinese minority in this country has been comprehensively corrupted by these bigots to the point where “Chinese-ness” (and now “Tamil-ness”) form the cornerstone of whatever they partake in life, be it politics, education, culture, language, music and the arts. These minorities are now crippled by this irrational need to forge, sustain and defend mini-Kwangtungs and mini-Tamil Nadus in a faraway corner of the Nusantara encircled by over a quarter billion pribumis. As their endeavour becomes increasingly untenable, true to their nature they partake in the age-old “blame game” against the very people (the Melayu Tuan Tanah) and the nation that were astoundingly magnanimous (stupid, on hindsight) in dishing out kerakyatan percuma to the forefathers of these belligerent socio-political irritants.

Can you, Mr./Mrs. Eyes Wide Open, honestly look me in the eyes with your eyes opened even wider and tell me that the SRJK(Tamil) is BETTER than our Sekolah Kebangsaan? Hey brother Balan Kumar, can you please further widened the eyes of Mr./Mrs. Eyes Wide Open on the state of the SRJK(T)s in this country, as conclusively argued in your classic piece here?

Same thing with the SRJK(C)s. I challenge you, Eyes Wide Open, to show us the empirical evidence, with 30-year trend line, variance analysis and various other statistical tools that conclusively prove the “superiority” of the SRJK(C)s to our Sekolah Kebangsaan. Show us. We all want to see. Let’s compare exam scores. Go find some obscure Ph.D. thesis that actually tracked a sample group of SRJK vs. SK school leavers over 10-20 years and see how they do in life. Show us the anecdotal evidence. Show us the inference. Show us the correlation. Show us anything that could even remotely support your bombastic contention that the “national school system is not good enough” compared to the SRJK(C) and SRJK(T). We’ll be waiting .... and waiting .... and waiting .... and wai ..... zzzzzzzz.

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“Take a drive to your nearest national schools. How many of them proudly display a huge sign at the front gate, saying: "SYABAS! Anda hadir di sekolah hari ini!" What? Congratulations simply for COMING to school? If they had said "SYABAS kerana menhadiri (sic) semua kelas hari ini" it wouldn't have been so bad!”

Can you please show us a photograph of a Sekolah Kebangsaan with the EXACT words as above?

And what’s wrong with that? The sentence "SYABAS! Anda hadir di sekolah hari ini!" already intrinsically meant "SYABAS kerana menhadiri (sic) semua kelas hari ini" without actually stating that incorrect sentence structure that you concocted. See, your Bahasa Malaysia is so bad, you cannot even comprehend the message and nuance of the original "SYABAS! Anda hadir di sekolah hari ini!" and hence you feel a need to further granularise the original correct form to YOUR level of Bahasa Malaysia.

Astounding!

And you claim to be “an educator”? No wonder you would rather speak pidgin Tamil and Hokkien and Manglish and whatever as your Bahasa Malaysia is hancurrrr! And you cunningly smother your deficiencies by hiding in a private “school” where the “enterprise” will do anything to increase enrollment, even if you have to shout in 10 languages to a roomful of obstinate, confused kids.

Incredible!

Anyway, why so petty? Next issue apa? The toilet stinks less than your filthy SRJKs? The canteens don’t serve Bak Kut Teh? The surau is too big? No Mandarin and Tamil equivalent signages for the Sekolah Kebangsaans?

Excuses, excuses, excuses ... that’s all we get from your kind ... Yes, 51 years of excuses. How many more years do you need ah? Why so slow? You need tongkat as well ka? How about a rotan? Yes, of the ekor pari and buluh betung variety. I heard the “recipients” will for sure cakap Melayu after just one therapeutic session. Tam Dalyell and Apocryphalist, betul ka? Orang Sungai Segama, in Sabah the therapy macam mana?

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“If the level deemed deserving of praise is set so low, what can be said of the level of intelligence produced by these schools? Sure, we have students with multiple A's, but many of these same students are also those who can't articulate any original or independent thought!”

Again, you are shamelessly (oops, I don’t think your species can comprehend the perasaan malu) regurgitating your Chinese urban legends laced with a healthy dose of your bigotry and chauvinism underpinned by your own deep sense of insecurity. You are just barking your opinion based on your own hatred of the Malay majority and whatever Malaysia stands for. And can you Encik/Puan Mata Luas honestly tell us that your SRJK products can actually “articulate any original or independent thought” better than the Sekolah Kebangsaan kids?

My answer: No way in hell.

No way! Take a walk in front of our malls and see how these SRJK dropouts stutter and stammer in your face as they try to sell some useless product. They could hardly tell you what in the name of the good Lord they are trying to peddle! And try talking to the SRJK(C)-dropout apprentice in the workshop and see how he can explain a worn-out lower control arm bush and misaligned anti-roll bar assembly without resorting to crude insinuations of copulating tadpoles, rude hand gestures, and props made from pieces of broken parts and half-consumed bones of unidentified carcasses. By the time the SRJK(C) product is finished and utterly exhausted from the endeavour (the ones that managed to avoid fist-fights with irate customers half way through their tutorials), the only “thing” that needs fixin’ is HIM! Not the car. Yup, blame that on the NEP too.


Eyes Wide Open said:-
“Where are the dedicated academics in all of this?

Well, certainly NOT in the Chinese and Tamil schools. That’s for sure.


Eyes Wide Open said:-
“Amid all the political hullabaloo, does anyone even remember that schools are for educating our children?”

Tell this to yourself, buddy. Start by educating them in the proper Bahasa Malaysia and English and NOT your tragically hilarious free-for-all combo of Tamil, Hokkien and what have you.


Eyes Wide Open said:-
“To say that vernacular schools are the source of racial polarisation is only addressing part of the problem. We cannot take such a simplistic approach in calling for the closing down vernacular schools "for the sake of national unity".

Ok let’s see the inverse logic.

You are saying that vernacular schools are NOT a source of racial polarization in this country? No impact at all? The fact that our kids go to different schools taught in different languages have no bearing on the state of racial alienation in this country?

Wow!

So vernacular schools are absolved of all blame?

Who and what do you blame then? Ok, ok I know, I know ... Blame it on the Malays, blame it on UMNO/PAS, blame it on ... let’s see, ok, the fact that the sun rises from the east and Bears and Chipmunks hibernate in winter. What/who else to blame …… ok, blame it on Khir Toyo’s nose job. What the heck, blame it on the Negaraku, Keris, Wayang Kulit, Proton, the group of Kelantanese who blog.

Yeah, blame all of our society’s ills to everyone and everything else EXCEPT your kinds.

When one is faced with someone (indeed a community) with this kind of self-centered mindset, is intelligent discourse an option? Now, where the heck is my ekor pari?

And, Eyes Wide Open, you don’t find it necessary for our 7-12 year olds to master our National Language at that early, formative age to ensure interactive compatibility with the rest of society, at least to be able to mingle with others in the playground without the sense of alienation currently so pervasive among the young of the various races?

I think its time you retire. Your communal tempurung must have been airtight and prevented you from seeing reality.


Eyes Wide Open said:-
“Such racial thinking does not only exist in the minds of non-Malays, mind you. I have come across many Malays who come into my centre, like the program but will not enrol (sic) simply because I do not have as many Malay students as they prefer.”

Then YOU should ask yourself how your kind is perceived by the Malay majority. Can you go on living like this in this country where your kind cannot even replicate yourselves and, combined with emigration, rapidly dwindling against a majority bolstered annually by a prolific birthrate? Something is terribly wrong when the majority refuse to mingle with a minority like you. Is this tenable for your race? Shouldn’t this be even more reason for your tribe to master the national language and adapt to the majority before you’re totally swarmed and overwhelmed and expelled by the sheer numbers of the majority 20-30 years down the road?

Are you even capable of thinking this way, considering the cesspool of bigotry and chauvinism afflicting your very soul?


Eyes Wide Open said:-
“I would invite you to any Tamil, Chinese and National schools (sic) to visit the classes and the students before making such an unqualified blanket judgment. You would find more or less the same ratio of high, medium and low performers in any school. Intelligence, discipline and good manners are not racial traits – they are nurtured in the family and in schools.”

Then why did you earlier said that the SRJKs are superior to the National Schools? So these schools are all on par now? And by deduction, there is no reason for non-Malays to sacrifice Bahasa Malaysia and English language skills because the schools are all on par and there exist no knowledge-based incentive to not go to a National School. If the ratio of smart-average-stupid students are the same across all ethnic and language lines and indifferent between the SRJKs and the SKs, then the transition would be seamless and relatively painless.

The contradictions inherent in your flimsy arguments are beginning to percolate through your spins and deceptions here.

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“I am not advocating shutting down of vernacular school systems to establish a single system for all. If anything, I would advocate MORE choices of education! That era is over! That system was designed to address the needs of the Industrial Revolution where industrialists needed large numbers of people able to perform standardised tasks. Today, with the proliferation of choice in every sphere of life – from religion to coffee, from sexual preference to furniture - where does the "one size fits all" mentality fit in?”

What kind of “educator” are you? Equating our education system with choices over coffee, sex partner and furniture? What are you? A kopitiam junkie who frequents brothels and then wiles away the afternoons at Courts Mammoth? I think you are a menace to your own community.

People, see the extent these Dong Jiao Zong or Dong Key Kong or Sing Kong or whatever chauvinists go just to avoid a standardized, Bahasa Malaysia-centric educational system for all. In their utter desperation borne out of an irrevocably corrupted anti-Malay mindset, they would concoct weird tales and inferences to resist the irresistible march towards a standardized school system in this country.

The “coffee, sex partner, furniture” analogy puked by this bigot tops it! Mr. Ass- … oops, I mean Eyes Wide Open, let me ask you, if your above no more “one size fits all” claim is true, show me where in the world (including the U.S., Australia, Britain, the E.U., Japan, Korea, China, Russia and other post-Industrial Revolution nations) this purported “more choices in education” exists? Show me what country would allow a parallel system that entails the teaching of class in languages OTHER than the dominant/national languages of that country? Show us the equivalent of your SRJKs in these countries. Since you are big on choices, show us the extent of the choices the populace of these countries can make for their children’s education.

Sure, there will be choices. Choice of focus and methodology perhaps, BUT NOT choice of language. You just cannot insist on Spanish-centric education even in Dade County Florida or parts of Southern California where the Hispanic population outnumbers the rest.


Eyes Wide Open said:-
“Let there be MORE CHOICE - national schools, vernacular schools, home schools, private schools, sports schools, music schools, art schools, dance schools, schools for the gifted, schools for the handicapped, etc. So that there is a school to fit the need of every individual in the country.”

Yes, let there be choices – but like any other sovereign nation on earth, these choices are conducted IN ONE LANGUAGE, BAHASA MALAYSIA, THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE.

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“Leave education to apolitical experts! Let there be competition to produce the best students – not those who can regurgitate textbook answers, but those who can think outside the box and innovate.”

Ok, why throw all these rhetorical statements? As “an educator” you better do YOUR part as well.

Eyes Wide Open said:-
“When national schools can produce those kinds of students, believe me, vernacular schools will lose their attractiveness. People of all races will be competing to get into national schools!”

What “those kinds of students”? You inferring your vernacular schools – the SRJK(C) Chung Hwa Sg. Choh and the SRJK(T) Veevakenanda Batang Berjuntai – are producing “those kinds of students” who are superior to the Sekolah Kebangsaan Parang Puting, Sabak, Kelantan and the Sekolah Kebangsaan Telor Dua Ketol, Juasseh, N.S.?

Yeah, Mr./Mrs. Mata Luas, again show us the comparative exam results AND give us some anecdotal evidence of the success stories of groups of these students where they collectively end up on top of the pile in the various professions – from the scientists to academics to corporate chieftains to top notch military brass.


Eyes Wide Open said:-
“But since a revamp of our education seems to be far off yet, the way to national unity is for people of all races to teach our children not to be suspicious of others simply because they are of a different race than ourselves.”

This is enough for national unity? Your kids still go to Chinese and Tamil schools and all they need is your theoretical home lessons for your “children not to be suspicious of others” while they socialize only with their own species and speaking in their own dialects in their formative years? You think this is tenable? Has been successful? Look at the kids around your neighbourhood playground. The races cannot even communicate, let alone mix? Tell us how do you exactly teach the “children not to be suspicious of others” while they go to segregated schools in their formative years?

No. Social interaction and tolerance for multiculturalism cannot be taught between episodes of Sponge Bob and Doraemon at home. It must be practiced in real life, in the school yards, in the school fields, in the extracurricular activities, at the PIBG meetings.

There is NO substitute for a singular, streamlined National School system taught in ONE dominant language, and this is practiced by 99% of nations on earth. Why must Malaysia be in the other 1% (together with other basket cases: Sri Lanka, Quebec Province) just because a selfish and belligerent minority refuse to be part of nation building, to be a true Rakyat Malaysia striving towards a Bangsa Malaysia unified under one language, Bahasa Malaysia?

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There you have it. This Eyes Wide Open character epitomizes the desperation mode of the anti-Malay, anti-integration, anti-Bangsa Malaysia, anti Bahasa Malaysia chauvinists. They will go to any length to avoid the inevitable, the day of reckoning where by hook or by crook our Negara Malaysia tercinta will have a unified school system conducted in the national language, Bahasa Malaysia, with English in selected subjects, and other languages as electives.

Until then, the Eyes Wide Opens of this world will resist, will kick and scream and throw tantrums and indulge in their obligatory epileptic fits and will defecate in their skirts to resist, to resist, to resist what would have been the norm, what should have been a normal progression of nationhood in any other sovereign nation on the face of this earth.
The end is nigh for the cancerous anomaly in our society known as the Vernacular Schools, a 51-year insult to the Malaysian nation that should have been wiped out from Bumi Keramat Negara Malaysia Berdaulat many decades ago.

This is the most crucial step in our collective endeavour to forge a truly unified, cohesive Anak Bangsa Malaysia speaking in one language, Bahasa Malaysia.

Malaysian Tigress said...

Eyes Wide Open said: Today, with the proliferation of choice in every sphere of life – from religion to coffee, from sexual preference to furniture - where does the "one size fits all" mentality fit in?”

Uh Oh...looks like bestiality will be an accepted choice in Eyes Wide Open's utopia? Better get adequate protection for the goats and cows to preserve our halal meat and milk supply. I tell you, we won't be able to stem the massive stampede by these closet fetishers.

Ladies too, hide yer shoes! They are coming in with their eyes wide open!

Anonymous said...

Hehehe….KNNCCB, KM, you took great effort & length to rebut Eyes Wide Open and the only ‘serious’ matter to gel into MT’s mind is the above. Hey MT, there are still many sheep shaggers down under in Skippy & Kiwi land  . Bite me MT…Prrrrrrrrrrrr…

KM, look like you’d scored specky goal on Eyes Wide Open. The only time his eyes are wide open is as if someone stick an object up his ‘where the sun don’t shine spot’. Preferably an original Made in Japan “Genital Electric Company’s” dildo.

I can oso see Eyes Wide Open is a cunning linguist, good with his native TONGUE for pulling off a “cunning stunt” like that, or was that a stunning c…….t????????

Cheers & have a great one. You wish me luck this weekend, ok?

Unker Yew010.

Omong said...

KijangMas Dear

After your series of exhaustive explanations and counter arguments, I wonder if they are “converted”.

The issue of language is not the only contention, it is also the assessment methods which should accurately test intellect rather than memory. I know it’s easier said than done.

Any progress on Apocryphalist’s suggestion?

Perhaps we could instead discuss the problems of Boh Sia girls, the Mat Rempits, the Drug Addicts, the Single Parents, the non-earning housewives, what with the high rate of HIV infections...

At least, this will generate possible solutions, if not concrete actions.

P.S.
In the words of Mata Terbuka Luas “If these people are FORCED to give up what they hold dear in favour of what they see as "inferior" or "not belonging to them", will they become more united or more polarised? Well, they may become more united - against the people who forced their hand!” – I say we definitely have an uphill task.

P.S.
Uncle You, I am not listed in your categorized sections of the soccer community. I wish to be the sports reporter/commentator who aims to bridge the communication gap, to share ideas and hopefully to remove misunderstandings and come to a possible solution. I also wish to reiterate my consumer rights.

Anonymous said...

Kijangmas, you are hilarious!! Eyes wide open seems to have brought out the best in you. Your rebuttal had me in stitches. Now I'd like to see how our multilingual educator responds!

ZZDOC

Malaysian Tigress said...

Unker Yew,

I think Yew lost your marbles.

You are getting more incoherent and slurred by the day. Better check if the pork parasitic worm is boring deep into your neocortex.

There is a valid reason for the prohibition of porkies, meh.

I was trying to make a point about these stoopid "freedom of choice" bible thumpers.

Miss the love of your life back in the Lukut farms? Teach it how to Skype.

Anonymous said...

Unker Yew,
You think you know everything but you know nothing. I use 'Perfume of Patani' - very delicate, sweet, pleasant, strong, sexy even ....and historical at the same time.

Satd,
Just one word, thanks.

zazaland

Tam Dalyell said...

Wow! Wow! Is this what we have missed?

Well. This really looks like I've arrived at the battlefield when the dust have really settled.

There are other times I suppose.

satD said...

found an eyeball!!!....must be Mata Luas punye ni.....

bro Kijangmas....let more of them in please....no fun if suddenly we all singing the same tune...

somehow "they" seemed to have more "discussion" outside this blog, spewing crappy logic laced with hate.....no balls to come in kut?

satD said...

zazaland

est une offre sérieuse .. juste au cas où KijangMas n'apparaît pas.

Anonymous said...

Assalamualaikom, selamat pagi, saya cukup sayang kepada kalian, chetdet, KM, JMD, Sakmongkol, mat chendana, tunku, tam dalyell, apo(somethingcute) balan, dr sidiq, satD, Boldone and more. Masih belom habis baca, keep it up. Elok lagi diluahkan dalam tv.
InsyaAllah, dengan niat yang iklhas dan kebijaksanaan di kurniakan oleh Allah swt, anda kalian boleh buka mata kepada mereka2 yang kurang mengerti. Saya doakan. Amin.
ml

Eyes Wide Open said...

Hey Kijangmas

Thanks for taking the time to rebut my post. However, you chose to interpret it from a racial point of view, which was not the intent of my article at all.

You have managed to read an entire article not with your Eyes Wide Open, but with racial rebuttals ready to pounce on anything and everything.

Instead of interpreting my postings with coloured glasses, why not try to understand another point of view?

Anyway, if you're big hearted enough, do visit my blog to get a better picture about my views on Malaysian education. Post your comments there on what you think.

Thanks!

KijangMas said...

Eyes Wide Open said:-
"Thanks for taking the time to rebut my post."

Yeah, next time I don't want you to go cry baby at other blogs and "report" that I've not published your comment and have been unfair, blah ... blah ... blah.

Listen Cikgu Mata Luas, when blogs are in Moderation mode, it is the absolute prerogative of the blog owner to publish/reject comments. You cannot demand that whatever crap you wrote be published. BUT in your case, it was published, but you chose to be a "hero" among the anti-national subversive blogs and go cry wolf over nothin'. Stop it! You want to fight me, fight me HERE! I'm not gonna swing my ekor pari and buluh betung in petty little kindergarten playhouses such as your favourite, Haris Ibrahim's Malay Apologist nuthouse of 5 lonely pathetic freaks chatting anti-Malay folklore 24/7.


Eyes Wide Open said:-
"... you chose to interpret it from a racial point of view, which was not the intent of my article at all."

What is your "intent" then? To advance a "teaching method" where you will need to stutter in eight languages to a class of confused kids?

This "you are racist" ploy is the usual last-stand (prior to obliteration) mode of racists like you. You vomit your racist-laden anything-but-Bahasa Malaysia National Schools comment here and then you tag the reactions to YOUR racist tinged points as "racist." Yup, soooo typical of these nouveau anak manjas to cry baby when the Tuan Tanahs whack them with a cyber pelepah kelapa to silence their biadap utterings.

Eyes Wide Open said:-
"You have managed to read an entire article not with your Eyes Wide Open, but with racial rebuttals ready to pounce on anything and everything."

Agree. You know why? I don't like you. You somehow give me the creeps, the type of vibe I get when an Ah Beng tries to bluff me (to his mortal detriment)in some transaction. You come across as a shallow, Malay-hating SOB who circuitously manifest your bigotry in some incoherent pseudo-"academic" fairytale while camouflaged as "an educator." In other words, you're an arrogant smart-ass, holier-than-thou jerk. Hence, I don't like your species ... and unfortunately for humankind there are many like you littering other blogs happily spewing more and more anti-Malay trash among yourselves. Happy now?

Eyes Wide Open said:-
"Instead of interpreting my postings with coloured glasses, why not try to understand another point of view?"

Again, this nouveau anak manja want to demand things. Firstly, you should have thanked me for being nice enough to clutter my blog with your nonsense. And I took the trouble - I missed the Uzbek Tiger Show up in Chiengmai because of YOU -- to digest your rantings and also took the trouble to rebut. Tapi itu semua tak cukup ah? You now demand that I "understand" and ostensibly agree with your views, including speaking Tamil, Cantonese, Hokkien, Japanese and what-have-you to a classful of kids. Lu gila kah?

Eyes Wide Open said:-
"... if you're big hearted enough,..."

See this utter lack of tact in this typical SRJK(C) product? Mintak sedekah tapi masih kurang ajar. Podaah! Mata Luas, for your species, I'm NOT big hearted, I'm NOT kind hearted, I'm NOT soft hearted, .... in fact, I have NO heart ... UNLESS your kinds get the @#$% out of your SRJK sh!tholes and go to a proper Sekolah Kebangsaan where you belajar to cakap Melayu to a level befitting your privilege as a Warganegara of this land. Then, I'll be a nice, fuzzy warm hearted buddy for life.

You know, Eyes Wide Open, I'm gonna make you a "Project" here at Demi Negara. You are still work-in-process for now. But together our community will shape you into a proper Anak Bangsa Malaysia. As a start, you must post only in the national language, Bahasa Malaysia.

Baiklah saudara/i Mata Luas, anda di beri peluang yang teramat istimewa di blog ini. Anda di benarkan post apa saja pendapat anda asalkan ianya di dalam Bahasa Kebangsaan negara anda, iaitu Bahasa Malaysia.

Kami menunggu luahan perasaan anda ........

Anonymous said...

KijangMas,

Many hundred moons ago, my teacher (Puan Faridah) would fine us 5cents if her students were to utter any word in her class other than English.

And even today, my son's tiution teacher did the same, this time she fined them 50cents.

The float is used to buy stationeries for the class!!!

Well, I find it strange having someone like Wide Eyes teaching cacamerbak satu dua tiga empat lima lompat, it er san sur uuu liuk, one two three four five, ichi ni san surk gor rocku, wone ande wore inga pore?

Oh the poor kids must be as confused as their mummy Ah Sohs, whenever they need to go the Government Dept/ Agencies to fill in their forms in Bahasa Malaysia (including BI), always looking lost and confused!!!

WHAT A JOKER THIS TEACHER MUST BE. Imagine if she is sent to Sabah to teach, all the ethnic languages around??

IIIIssshhh kelakar betul dia nih!!

Orang Sungai Segama

Anonymous said...

satd,

....c'est noté....et bonne journée.
___________
ps :
can we 'talk' about something more serious like how to 'save' Malaysia for example?

zazaland

satD said...

zaza

do check out my site....
of course i want to talk about saving malaysia...

Most bloggers have pointed out the "obvious" n the "not so obvious" fact..

So WHAT?...this whole discussion and comments are between those who have accepted the problem and want to do something about it...and those who are oblivious of the issue at hand and require some dosage of reality either from our esteemed blogmaster sdr KijangMas and others who took their time to go thru every comment and felt the need to voice their opinion...
Some even came back later and tot...ooops i shouldn't have said that......and deleted their comments...just look at KijangMas's response frequency....tak banyak unlike his earlier post....he himself. i think malas already to layan mindless bocor gile logical dissenting arguments...

Again now what...do we "aggregate" all plausible solutions and send them to policy makers...who got time to do that? ..we all got work outside our online presence...

Do you take the battle forward into enemy territory? Not much we can do about it due to "Comments Moderation Function" of the respective "intellectually challenged and short of balls" blogmasters out there....

You think they would dare to engage in a post vs post war?

They got no bullets la..please..flimsy logic laced with malice and hate..

just look at JMD- latest article...i bet RPK now running back to his "Chinese" paymaster who financed, supported and operate MT...what to do ah boss?

capek sih...mikirin soal ini m'bak.

Anonymous said...

satd,

couldn't find you ...
what is your blog's address?

regards.

zazaland

satD said...

aduh cutenye zaza ni....

click on my id in the comment above which should take you to the profile page, look down at the blogs section n click that...u should arrive safely there...

Anonymous said...

Browsed some anti-Malay, anti-national and Malay Apologist blogs and noticed that some of them are getting really obsessed with Demi Negara.

On top of the anti-Demi Negara blog set up by the X-Blogs Chinaman, they have also formed Demi Negara watchgroups and such.

Why? I guess for the first time they feel cornered and besieged as Malaysia's silent majority wakes up from its 51-yr slumber and begins to strike back with a vengeance.


Voren

Anonymous said...

Voren,

True,
we have been too complacent all those years.

WAKE UP CALL for everyone. We are wathing very closely now...

Tongkang

wavedancer said...

Mainstream...mainstream...how do we get these thoughts to the public at large? At the moment only those who frequent blogsphere are familiar with KM's writings. Would any politician lend a hand and bring these matters to public knowledge? Dato Sak,pl get some of your active politician friends to start a fight on this issue.

Eyes Wide Open said...

kepada saudara kijangmas, serta saudara-saudari sekalian

Merujuk kepada komen saudara kijangmas berikut:

You know, Eyes Wide Open, I'm gonna make you a "Project" here at Demi Negara.

serta yang berikut oleh Anonymous:

Do you take the battle forward into enemy territory? You think they would dare to engage in a post vs post war?

Eyes Wide Open amat mengalu-alukan anda semua mengunjungi blog saya di

http://notsleepinganymore.blogspot.com/

untuk berbincang secara terbuka isu-isu semasa yang sedang menimpa negara kita ini. Inilah kali yang kedua saya menjemput sekalian.

Diharap sekalian berbesar hati untuk menyertai perbincangan di blog saya dengan rasional dan tenang, serta dengan hati yang terbuka.

Hanya satu permintaan saya, bacalah posting saya dahulu dengan teliti sebelum melepaskan rasa geram anda.

Jika logik hujah anda tepat, saya sanggup menerimanya dengan hati terbuka. Jika ianya hanya omong kosong berdasarkan landasan perkauman semata-mata, tanpa mengira isu-isu dasar yang sebenar, saya akan hanya akan jawab dengan:

HAHAHA!

Diharap kita semua boleh mendapat manafaat daripada segala perbincangan yang bakal diadakan.

Sekian, terima kasih.

Eyes Wide Open

Tam Dalyell said...

Terima kasih atas jemputan sdr Eyes Wide Open.

Sebelum mana-mana langkah dimulakan demi jemputan, sila nyatakan sah atau batalnya kata-kata berikut. Sertakan hujjah-hujjahnya sekali.


“Jika kamu tidak memikirkan dan mengatakan sesuatu tentang bangsa, bangsa kamu mungkin akan pupus, sebagaimana pupusnya sesetengah bangsa atau haiwan. Kaum majority hari ini boleh menjadi minority esok, juga sebaliknya. Apa bentuk hari-esok yang kamu sediakan untuk keturunan kamu jika kamu hanya menghayati hari-kini tanpa pembentukan hari-esok.”

Terima kasih.

Voren said...

Eyes Wide Open kata:-
"Jika ianya hanya omong kosong berdasarkan landasan perkauman semata-mata, tanpa mengira isu-isu dasar yang sebenar, saya akan hanya akan jawab dengan: HAHAHA!"

Syarat apa macam ni?

Kalau orang hantam, engkau harus tepis dan balas dengan hujah yang lebih bernas.

"HAHAHA" ni satu bentuk reaksi jenis makhluk PENGECUT dan KURANG SIUMAN.

satD said...

Eyes Wide Open

Perhaps you can come up with a counter post to KM's original post which you feel that you somehow tasked to "rebut" on behalf of the people out there....then maybe folks will "consider" to drop by your blog for a "discussion".

Sorry folks BM gua tunggang langgang...kalu kok kelate tu bole la

Voren said...

Dan satu lagi.

Si Mata Luas ni jenis Talam Dua Muka.

Di sini dia tunjuk insaf mintak sedekah agar komuniti Demi Negara menjenguk blog nya yang sunyi sepi tak laku. Lawatan dan komen kalian akan sekali gus naikkan "taraf" blog nya.

Tetapi di blog lain seperti sarang anti-Melayu si boneka Cina Haris Ibrahim tu, si Mata Luas ni tanpa segan silu hantam dan cerca KijangMas bertubi-tubi sambil di sorak oleh makhluk-makhluk perosak sewaktu dengan nya di lubang cacing tu.

Makhluk terhina macam ni tak usah di layan.

Saudara KijangMas, tak perlu bagi muka sangat ke benda macam si Mata Luas nih. Buang aje komen dia. Buat macam gerompolan dia (seperti si RPK gila tu) buat ke komen-komen kita, semua kena delete.

Mereka ni pengecut dan tak ber etika.

LipanBara said...

Merayu-rayu nampaknya EyesWideOpen ni.

Minta pada yang ada,
Merayu pada yang kasih.

Macamlah kita ni kekasih dia.

Kalau pun kau ada rumah, rumah kau kat seberang tambak sana.

Abang Tam Dalyell, tak payah nak 'diplomatik' sangat kat saki baki keturunan pujaan RPK tu --- ala si lahanat Bintang Tiga tu.

Maaf bang -- bukan marah -- cemas.

Ladyhawke said...

AIYYYYER! Mata Buka Luas ada hati nak jemput KijangMas masuk lubang cacing dia. Gelinya!

I agree with Voren. No need to waste time on this creature and his kind. I think it’s more productive to appeal to the Malay grassroots. Bangkitkan semangat mereka supaya bersatu untuk menghapuskan ancaman dari pihak-pihak perosak Bangsa dan Negara yang anti-Melayu, anti-Bahasa Malaysia, anti-Bangsa Malaysia dan anti-integrasi.

On this note, perhaps it’s best that KijangMas writes mostly in Malay, Bahasa Melayu or Bahasa Malaysia…..Let’s see if those rabid racists who can’t even rebut your arguments coherently and intelligently in English can do better in the Malay language.

Anonymous said...

KijangMas,

TV3 now shows clips on Sabah. Seeing is believing, it is a beautiful place to visit.

I am from West Malaysia. Had the opportunity to work there in the 80’s, when facilities, security and communications were very VERY basic.

Initially it was so difficult to adjust. However she changed our lives tremendously. We learn to appreciate nature and to find joy in the simple things in life.

Some blabbered so much about Singapore? What is there in Singapore? So what else do they have there? Concrete blocks, clean streets (?), disciplined (?), law abiding (?) citizens? I don’t see many Singaporean in the list of 100 wealthiest Asians? Where? So what is SO special about Singapore? They are so mesmerised with China, India bla bla bla..

We Malaysians take things so much for granted. Most hardly travel within Malaysia, mungkin tak CUN with their status and money, or too busy 24/7 trying hard to get RICH.

Is that all there is in life? Asyik cari duit mau jadi kaya mau cakap Mandarin Tamil saja ker sampai tak sedar banyak lagi penghuni lain di Tanah Air ini? Mandarin, Tamil, Tamil, Mandarin? Is that all that you can think of when you talk about MALAYSIA?

Danum is recognized as one of the world's most complex ecosystems. Scientist and students from all over the world visit Danum Valley for their research. How many of the West Malaysian Apeks visit Danum?

Go and spend a day in SEPILOK, you will want to go back there again… the RICH wonders of what MOTHER EARTH have for you right at your doorstep. IN MALAYSIA.

Now back to Bahasa Malaysia and the different ethnics languages found in Sabah.

Forget about humans. Even THE Orang Utans communicate in Bahasa Malaysia!! They cannot speak, but will understand all instructions and commands in BAHASA MALAYSIA.

Maybe we should send all these “so called thick skin thick headed Malaysians who can’t speak Bahasa Malaysia” to be trained by the Orang Utan in SEPILOK? Hehaw... jangan marah, but I am very serious with this suggestion.

ORANG SUNGAI SEGAMA

sang kancil said...

sebenarnya inilah ubat sebenar kepada masalah polarisasi kaum di Malaysia. Asal penyakit perkauman kita sendiri yang semai dan suburkan. Lihat saja contoh Indonesia dan Thailand.

Anonymous said...

Kijangmas,

The first line under your 'Leave your comment' header is "This is a non-partisan forum".. so I guess it means that people like Eyes Wide Open are welcome to visit and post his comments, whether or not what he says agrees with the majority here.

Now I am no fan of EWO, but much as I enjoy your writing,your last rebuttal of him was a little emotional, if not abusive. This is your blog of course, and you can say what you like. But one reason that I like coming here is your civilised tone, and I really feel you don't have to abuse the poor fellow.
Anyway he still came back. Power to him that he didn't run off with his tail between his legs.

As to him bashing your blog at Haris, well as they say any publicity is good publicity. People like me who previously only knew sites like MT, Haris, Imtiaz, and Uncle Kit will come visit and realise there are still intelligent beings on the UMNO side of the divide.

Cheers.

ZZDOC

satD said...

ORANG SUNGAI SEGAMA

Got vacancy for part-tuition teacher or not...

i accept local bananas....

satD said...

Salam ORANG SUNGAI SEGAMA

Sorry i just reread your message..

Are you saying that we have one of the most complex ecosystems in Danum........ and Foreign Scientist all over the world are coming with very few local tourist around.......how many actual locals around? ...i mean people who live there....and many forest rangers around?.....

If you are not sure about it..then someone is stealing the most complex biological samples from Malaysia....and probably have been selling back the finished product to us at a huge multiple....for years already......

What if the cure for cancer is there?

We should start collecting our own samples with them....Is there a Campus near it now? With biological research facility where you can store fresh samples, , study them...and if u need another one take a drive for another hike

let the big boys commercialize it with profit sharing mechanism place...perhaps we can harvest them...i don't know if this is already happening.. just asking..don't mean to go off topic..

Wass
satD

Eyes Wide Open said...

eh...mana komen saya?

kat blog saya dah awal saya post! kenapa kat sini takde lagi?

beria-ia sangat kat kampung DN tapi nak ke kampung EWO sebelah, kecut pulak ke?

KijangMas said...

Voren dan kerabat DN sekelian,

Bagi saya, kuman halus macam si "Eyes Wide Open" yang kini terselit di tapak kaki saya ni tak penting.

Kan dia dah di binasakan tempoh hari? Dah hancur lebur. KijangMas tak pukul bangkai. Busuuuk!

Saya anggap budak hingus nih sebagai satu "projek" di sini. Kita akan sama-sama membentuk nya menjadi seorang Anak Bangsa Malaysia patriotik yang berwibawa dan berhemah serta memahami betapa pentingnya Bahasa Malaysia sebagai Bahasa Kebangsaan negara ini dalam proses membina sebuah masyarakat Malaysia yang jitu dan sehaluan.

Proses ini akan di laksanakan di sini, bukan di sarang nya.

Dalam soal ini hujah Voren cukup berasas. Si kerdil ni memang kemari untuk memancing para sahabat-sahabat di sini supaya menceriakan blog nya yang di katakan sepi muram lagi gelap gulita.

Kalau setakat nak "didik" budak ini, di sini sudah memadai.

Kalian "didik" lah si anak kerdil ni dan perbetulkanlah minda terpesong nya dengan menghuraikan bagaimana gejala sekolah vernacular telah menjadi “racun” kepada perpaduan kaum dan keserasian masyarakat negara kita sejak Merdeka lagi.

Phonont said...

EyesWideOpen,

Adat orang mempelawa, adakalanya diterima adakalanya ditolak. Terima sahajalah keputusan pelawaan itu dengan besar hati. Ini tidak, anda hembur kata-kata kesat kerana pelawaan anda ditolak. Nampak sangatlah pelawaan anda tidak ikhlas.

Namun atas dasar simpati saya telah berkunjung juga ke teratak saudara. Memang benar seperti yang dikata, amat sunyi sepi sekali suasananya. Namun tidaklah pula saya mengharap sambutan kompang dan pencak silat. Selepas diteliti posting terdahulu saudara, saya yakin saya tahu apakah sebabnya blog saudara sepi dan lengang.

Saya dapati corak posting saudara amat hambar dan boleh diramal. Apa yang saudara lakukan hanyalah cut-and-paste keratan-keratan berita dari Unker Lim, MT, Malaysiakini, etc yang kebanyakan motifnya menghentam Melayu, Islam atau semangat Nasional. Dan kemudian hasil cut-and-paste ini anda gilap sedikit sahaja dengan sekadar tiga-empat baris ayat anda sendiri, yang ideanya juga telah banyak kali diutarakan oleh sumber-sumber anti Melayu berkenaan. Dalam erti kata lain, anda tidak "articulate any original or independent thought”. Pendek kata, anda hanya parroting pendapat-pendapat sampahan anti Melayu yang mengotorkan ruang maya kita. Ya, kemahiran yang anda dakwa (kononnya) ada pada produk SRJKC itu jelas tidak ada pada anda. Daya tarikan utama sesebuah blog sebenarnya adalah keupayaan penulisnya untuk menghasilkan hujah dan pemikiran asli dan bebas, bukannya keupayaan penulis untuk cut-and-paste! Buang masa sahaja membaca blog begitu. Menyesal sungguh saya. Tetapi ok lah kot, sekurang-kurangnya saya suka gambar header blog saudara.

Apocryphalist said...

Look people. I don’t understand what the fuss is all about you all spend too much time melayan some non-entity like EWO who is obviously trying to gauge upon the popularity of this blog to make himself noticed. Reading his points pun nampaknya, semua either dah basi atau dah di rebut earlier elsewhere in the now mushrooming nationalistic blogs like KM, JMD, Sakmongkol, Kudakepang etc etc. Commenters pun zero nampaknya. Reminds me of the story of that small chimpanzee who brags about making love to a huge female elephant kat tepi pokok kelapa. In all probability, miss Jumbo there don’t feel a thing pun until suddenly a coconut fell on top of her head and she shouted “adoi!”. This was a bragging point for our little monkey for years to come. So please, people, do not degrade yourselves. Unless, of course you want to be the main story point for cucu cicit EWOk there about how their grandfather was once an orgamostron to the great nationalistic blogs in the internet.

Dah. Let’s just ignore this flea up to oblivion and take on the real masters of EWOk there: the DAP Vaders and the Raja Petra Kemeluts.

Apocryphalist – who doesn’t know whether to laugh or to weep on this one.

Omong said...

Haha

Masih nak mencabar sibelolok ni.

Hujjah yang panjang lebar telah pun diberi untuk menjawab luahan perasaannya.

Namun masih nak tegakkan benang yang basah.

KijangMas, terima kasih kerana menggunakan Bahasa Malaysia sepenuhnya kali ini.

Syukur Alhamdullilah ...

Jangan hiraukan sangat sidia ni, kalau dah penat nanti dia berhenti dengan sendirinya, Insyallah.

Apa kata kita berpantun, berpuisi pulak? Hehe

Anonymous said...

SatD,

Obviously you have not been to these places! Bring your family there, you will not regret it.

In Sabah, ask for pisang Rastali, they may not know it. If I mention it here, others will LABEL me a Racist.

1. DANUM.. http://www.searrp.org/
2. http://www.orangutan-appeal.org.uk/sepilok-rehabilitation-centre/

TO BE A MALAYSIAN, KENALI MALAYSIA DULU, THEN YOU WILL TRULY LOVE MALAYSIA.

Berpantun eh? boleh!!

Pergi ke Danum Valley nok mencungkil rahsia

Terserempak Orang Utan disangkakan kera

Bumiku yang istemewa ini namanya Malaysia

Satu Bahasa, Satu Bangsa, Satu Negara

Orang Sungai Segama.

Omong said...

Che Orang Sungai Segama,
Saya menjawab … (jangan ketawa, ya)

Pergi kepantai bersuka-ria

Bersama keluarga yang bahagia

Bumi istimewa namanya Malaysia

Tiada bandingan di-antara dunia

Denone said...

Kijang Mas and Bangsa Malaysia,

Untuk mengubah polisi mengenai dasar sekolah satu aliran sememangnya bukan mudah. Tetapi ianya tidak mustahil dengan syarat pemimpim melayu dan pemimpin kumpulan etnik lain yang sayangkan negara ini perlu mempunyai political will yang luar biasa.

Memangkan Perlembangaan Malaysia jelas mengenai kedudukan istimewa Bahasa Melayu dan Agama Islam (bahasa dan agama lain sekadar boleh diamalkan), maka tidak mustahil sekiranya kerajaan yang dipimpin oleh orang melayu yang bersemangat perwira, merangka dasar di mana hanya sekolah kebangsaan dan sekolah agama diberikan peruntukan kewangan dan segala bentuk bantuan oleh kerajaan persekutuan. Sekolah-sekolah lain tidak boleh diberikan apa-apa peruntukan barang sesen pun. Segala tumpuan perlu diberikan untuk mempertingkat infrastruktur semua sekolah kebangsaan. Lupakan sekolah vernakular. Selagi itu kerajaan memberikan peruntukan kepada SRJK(dan SRJK(C) mempunyai sumber kewangan daripada towkey yang kaya raya yang cukup banyak) selagi itu sekolah tersebut akan terus menjadi barah. Mereka bangsa yang tidak tahu berterima kasih, kenapa perlu diberikan bantuan. Of course, akan ada orang yang akan kata, the tax-payer money should also be channel to SRJK (T) dan (C). Namun, kerajaan harus menggunakan peruntukan Perlembagaan Malaysia untuk menafikan bantuan kepada SRJK.

Hujung minggu nih nok balik kelate...lamo tok make nasi belauk. Harap-harap terserempak dengan kijangmas kat mana-mana kopitiam di kota bharu dan ingat nok jumpo dengan member-member YB PAS boleh bbice hal sekolah vernakular.

Anonymous said...

Orang Sungai Segama / Omong,

Berikan laluan sedikit, saya juga ingin berpantun (seperti omong, saya minta kalian jangan ketawa ya).

Bumi bertuah bernama Malaysia

Aman dan makmur lah selalu hendaknya

Alangkah sedihnya kalau ia nya 'teraniaya'

Marilah kita sama sama 'menolongnya'.

zazaland

Apocryphalist said...

Anak menjala ditepi sawah
Dibekal ibu segumpal pulut
Cuba jugak berpantun-pantun ni
Tapi asyik irama saya tak menjadiiiii jer

Eyes Wide Open said...

Kijangmas, And where's my hantam of voren? Aiyoo....publish my comment also too chicken ah? Want to visit my blog also so hard meh? I've been coming here for so many times, but none of you have the balls to come and comment on my page?!

Well, just to throw you a bone here since you're all too chicken to even READ my blog...You've been claiming for weeks that I'm anti-Sekolah Kebangsaan. But I actually spent an entire posting arguing for a SINGLE NATIONAL SCHOOL SYSTEM! And this was before I was even aware of your blog (check my blog - I don't retrodate my postings, unlike some blog owners)!

Come on man...show some testicular fortitude!

If the whole DN community doesn't count two balls among the lot of you, then all bets are off la. I'm not gonna waste time debating two-bit pseudo-intelligences hiding behind some small writing skills and having to share testicles with each other. Especially people who are SO CHICKEN THAT YOU DON'T EVEN DARE TO FACE ME IN ANONYMOUS CYBERSPACE!!

This is one seriously syiok sendiri blog – strutting about when there is safety in numbers. But throw you a real challenge, what happens? Instead of responding like a real man, you CHICKEN OUT – HAHAHA! Anyway, if any one of you has the testicular fortitude, do debate me on my blog. Someone here actually said he visited, but kawan...WHY NO COMMENT ON MY BLOG? Why have to come back here to kampung halaman DN only comment? TOO CHICKEN KA to show your true colours to the world ka?

And I was so looking forward to some "intelligent" debate with you guys. I guess you UMNO-types are really all the same - foaming in the mouth with all sorts of racist rhetoric but having very little to show in terms of real substance in argument (best exemplified by Shabery Cheek)!! Race, race, race...tak muak ke?

Anyway, this will be my 4th and last invite. And until someone from DN shows some balls to take me on in serious debate, this will also be my last post here.

Meanwhile...I'll leave you to enjoy your mental masturbations. I'm sure you'll be having plenty of fun comforting yourselves that you've finally shooed me off DemiNegara.

Tata!

P.S. Yes...this post will also be featured on my blog along with Kijangmas' previous comments. See, I dare to openly feature what you write, a courtesy you are obviously too chicken to return.

KijangMas said...

Wahaiii EWO @ Murai Mata Luas,

Kunang-Kunang Terbang ke Langit,
Sampai di Langit Membuat Sarang;
Mulut mu busuk, ketiak mu hangit,
Ceh, angan-angan nak mempelawa orang!

Tata to you too .....

laguhati said...

Pantun ini di jual kepada EWO@Mata Terjegei Burai

habis pulut dirompak hindu
teman membeli sicina bukit
manis mulut nampak bermadu
kuman dihati bawa penyakit !

Panglima said...

Eyes Wide Open,
Buka mata dan OTAK sikit. Consider this fact: Your blog isn't good enough to warrant much attention. Haha! Sorry if the truth hurts.

No hard feelings, okay? As a sign of goodwill, I've also created a pantun for you:

Malaysia Today Addicts dah mula kaku
`Bangsa Malaysia' hypocrites cuba ke Kedah
Kepada EWO yang blognya tak laku
Jangan lah perasan... Poodah

Voren said...

HaHaHa.

Kesian ....... sungguh kesian si makhluk ni.

Good riddance!

Anonymous said...

KijangMas,
… Sebut pasal kunang .. Satu lagi tarikan Sabah yang perlu dihayati. Senja, berjuta burung laying laying akan terbang ke langit. Kepercayaan orang sana, untuk mengumpul air/droplets dari awan untuk digunakan membuat sarang…

Wide Eyes Open, jangan sekadar menghirup sup Birds Nest ajer, kunjungilah kesini;

http://madeinsabah.wordpress.com/2007/11/13/madai-caves-trip/
http://www.journeymalaysia.com/gomantongcave.htm

Wide Eyes O, Macam mana you nak mengajar anak sekolah berbilang kaum diSabah nih?

Kenapa pula yang mai Cina/India gok tiba2 nak impot bahasa Kebangsaan Negara Asing, nak sangat jadikan bahasa pengantar kat Sekolah Sekolah di Malaysia pulak nih? Tak ingat orang lain ker? Nak asingkan diri sangat ker?

Saya ingin turunkan untuk renungan WEO BANGSA2 D SABAH by labosia on Sat Nov 08, 2008 9:54 am
Marcus Shapi wrote:

Kumpulan keluarga etnik Kadazandusun: (kawasan/daerah yang ramai)

1. Bisaya (Beaufort/Mambakut/Klias)
2. Dumpas(Lahad datu)
3. Tangara (Penampang-Papar)
4. Minokok (Beluran)
5. Tinagas (Marak-Parak-kaingaran-Beluran)
6. Talantang (Pitas-tandek)
7. Tempasuk (Kota Belud)
8. Bundu (Keningau-Tambunan-Ranau)
9. Liwan (Tambunan-Ranau-Telupid0
10. Monsok (Tambunan-Apin-Apin)
11. Kimaragang (Kota Marudu-Tandek-Pitas)
12. Sandyo / Polod (Pitas-Beluran)
13. Sonsogon (Kota marudu-Ranau)
14. Kadazan Klias (Klias-mambakut)
15. Kuijau (bingkor)
16. Labuk (Tongod)
17. Mangkaak (Kinabatangan)
18. Sukang (Sandakan)
19. sungoi (Beluran-Sandakan)
20. lotud(Tuaran)
21. Papar (Kuamut-Papar-Kimanis)
22. Rungus (Matunggung-Sikuati -Kudat)
23. Tindal.(Narinag-Tenghilan-Tampaluri)
24 Tatana (Kuala Penyu)
25. Tobilung (Kota Belud-Kota Marudu)

B. Kumpulan Keluarga Etnik Murut

1. Buakon /Baukan (Lahad Datu -Tawau)
2. Gana (Pensiangan)
3. Ambual (Keningau)
4. Nabay (Nabawan-sook)
5. Dusun Murut (Sook-Melalap)
6. Okolod (Tenom)
7. Paluan (Pensiangan-tawau-sempadan indon)
8. Pandwan (kinabatangan)
9. Selungoi (Sepanjang Sungai Padas)
10 Serudung (Long Pasia)
11.Tidung (samporna-Kunak-tawau)
12. Timogon (Keningau-Tenom)
13 Tahol (Kemabong-Tenom)
14. Pensiangan (Selalir-Pensiangan)

C. Kumpulan Keluarga etnik Paitan

1. Abai sungai (Karagasan)
2. Lobu/ Rumanau (Pitas-paitan)
3. Tampias Lobu (Pitas)
4. Sungoi (Paitan)
5. Lingkabau( Beluran-paitan-telupid0
6. Kinbatangan Sokid (Inarad)
7. Making (Segama)
8. kolobuan (Lhad datu)
9. Sinabu (Kunak-lahad datu)
10 dusun Segama 9sepanjang sungai segama)
11 Kuamut (kuamut)

D. Kumpulan Keluarga etnik Bajau-Sama

1. Bajau Balangingi (Kudat-Pitas-Banggi)
2. Bajau Kagayan/Mapun (Banggi-Kudat-Pitas-Sandakan-Pulau Mabol)
3. Sama (Kota Belud-Tenghilan-Tuaran-sambulan)
4. Bajau pantai Barat ( Kota Belud-Kudat-Kota Marudu-sambulan)
5. Yakan (samporna-Tawau)

Boleh selit satu lagi pantun kat sini Omong?

Bersarang burung Gomantung dan Madai
Terhayun nun tinggi pungutan bergalah
Garang, geram gelora hati mu Madam wide eyes
Jangan sekali Kijangmas berundur kalah!!

ORANG SUNGAI SEGAMA

Yusuf Nur said...

Salam kijangmas,

Sejarah itu bukti
Hati jangan disakiti
Kau dan aku tidak berbeza
Tapi kita tidak pernah sama

Tanah ini milik kita
Bukan bermakna kaulah raja
Mengundang gempita sejuta cerita
Dan dongeng-dongeng tipis
Menconteng, mengikis dan menghakis

Aku rindu saat-saat itu
Kau, aku dan dia berjanji
Tanah ini akan dijaga
Irama berganti
Kau dan dia juga berubah
Memancing keris yang kusisip lama
Dalam sarung setia

Percaya dan yakinlah
Aku pasti marah
Jika tanah ini kau bicara
Jika agama ini kau cerita
Percaya dan yakinlah
Demi menegak pertiwi ini
Sanggup kubayar dengan nyawa
Dan setiap titisan darah!

(yang masih berhujah untuk mengkotori lantai ini dengan liur dari lidah basah yang bercabang dan beracun. Bahasa melambangkan bangsa dan jadilah manusia yang tahu berbangsa!)

-lidah anda takkan jadi hijau kalau berbahasa Melayu-

Malaysian Tigress said...

Abang seorang idaman kalbu,
Puas ku tunggu sekian lama,
Luas mata berkiblahkan nafsu,
Janganlah kita hanyut bersama.

Malaysian Tigress said...

And no, it isn't abour sex, it is about us starting to stoop to MT level, wrapped in 'budi bahasa'.

Getting a bit sophomoric la KM....

Anonymous said...

KijanMas,

Selamat Menyambut Maal Hijrah serta peminat blog DemiNegara.

Usahamu demi kemakmuran Negara amat dihargai.

Tongkang

AB said...

Been reading the comments, but i must say the ones at the bottom kind of really disappointed me

I don't see the point of bringing the discussion to some other blog (which we hardly know of), having a hard time catching up with one blog, let alone two!

with that said, i hope fans of this blog don't start stooping to MT's level, keep it cool and intellectual shall we? (when i say we, i mean you guys, im not really even a part of any of the discussion here. haven't had the time to throw in opinions, will try to make time and join in whenever i can =)

KijangMas said...

ZZDOC (Dec. 23, 2008 7:59 AM) said: "The first line under your 'Leave your comment' header is ‘This is a non-partisan forum’.."

Yes, this is indeed a "non-partisan forum." This is not a platform underwritten by or to promote a political party. And yes, people are welcomed to visit and post their comments. At the same time, others are also free to agree OR to rebut those comments. Hence, I don’t see any conflict in the term "non-partisan forum" and the energetic rebuttals and/or support of comments left here.


ZZDOC said: "Now I am no fan of EWO, but much as I enjoy your writing,your last rebuttal of him was a little emotional, if not abusive."

I wouldn’t categorise my rebuttals to some comments here as emotional. Try to differentiate passionate with "emotional." It’s also about matching the mindset of the commenter. Of course, we will see more dramatic and animated articulation of the key rebuttal points when commenters are obstinate about their ideas and positions thrown into this arena.

I think this is healthy. I’m all for divergent views and dissenting voices. Conversely, these dissenters must be prepared to accept and hopefully intelligently respond to the inevitable rebuttals and not go cry baby in some other comfort zone blogs.


ZZDOC said: "People like me who previously only knew sites like MT, Haris, Imtiaz, and Uncle Kit will come visit and realise there are still intelligent beings on the UMNO side of the divide."

Good for you. But I can see your perceptive mindset needs further calibration. As long as you are still captive to the need to label nationalist blogs in a partisan "the UMNO side of the divide", then by default you run the risk of excluding yourself (and perhaps many others) from a constructive role and reduced to mere detractors and dissenters from your self-imposed alienation. See, when you unilaterally label this and other blogs under a political party, then you’re being exclusive. You (and in this case, plausibly the anti-UMNO people if they also subscribe to your mindset) will remain an outsider in our ongoing endeavour to re-synthesize the Anak Bangsa Malaysia and other fundamental manifestation of Malaysian nationhood according to the original tenets of the Merdeka constitution.

Make an effort to grasp the intricacies of the rapidly evolving Malaysian socio-political ecosystem without tagging opinions under some political banner. This is beyond party politics. Understand the underlying phenomena of the explosion of nationalistic blogs growing at a rate of a dozen per day and why the Pakatan Rakyat is unraveling before our eyes.

Regard this blog as an indication of the evolving mindset of the Malay majority across the age, economic and educational spectrum. Are they as supportive of the PR as they were before and during PRU12? Does this mean they will "return" en masse to BN? Is it that simple, while the BN circus bungle their way with their own coterie of samsengs and badots to match the PR’s pengkhianats and pendustas? What about the non-Malays, the 30-something percent minority who had revealed their full deck of cards based on some delusional divine-like inevitability of political change come 916, only to be left high and dry by the UMNO-reject confidence tricksters? Are you people better off now? How do you think the real bread-and-butter Malay majority view you today?

This is not an UMNO vs. DAP thing. This is not a BN vs. PR pantomime. This is beyond political affiliations. This is beyond colourful flags, party-lines and blind psychopantic “hope” on politicians afflicted by various degrees of delusional self-grandiosity. This is about our collective, grassroots concern on the evolution and trajectory of our society, our institutions, our nation’s spirit and soul, indeed, Demi Negara tercinta.

Remove your political tags and participate as an Anak Bangsa Malaysia yang Berbahasa Malaysia berlandaskan kepada budaya Melayu sebagai teras masyarakat Negara Malaysia.

Anonymous said...

Hi, KM, point taken. I was wrong to label your blog as pro-UMNO or anything at all. You have always been unashamedly Malay or nationalist, but being so makes your views and many of your commenters' views tally with the UMNO line. Just like how the 'liberal' blogs sound like the DAP line. The average man in the street, including myself, could be forgiven for trying to pigeonhole your blog and others according to what you sound like and who follows your blog. Anyway, no point in me following this defensive line because I do admit my mistake.

You said:
What about the non-Malays, the 30-something percent minority who had revealed their full deck of cards based on some delusional divine-like inevitability of political change come 916, only to be left high and dry by the UMNO-reject confidence tricksters? Are you people better off now? How do you think the real bread-and-butter Malay majority view you today?

Me? No, I am as Malay as anyone who claims to be Malay, albeit with touches of Javanese, Minang, Pattani and Chinese thrown in. And I am thoroughly enjoying and basking in this 'evolving Malay mindset' that blogs like yours is helping to create. The current political situation seems to be a golden opportunity for Malays to regroup, rethink and refocus ourselves, and to rid ourselves of the excess baggage represented by our many weak and corrupt Malay leaders; and as is widely acknowledged, the internet has created an avenue for this to happen.
I am no intellect, and I can't contribute much to forums such as yours. But I will support any effort by any party to better the Malays and the country.
That doesn't mean I will stand by and watch other commenters bullying a person of another race in the name of nationalism.
I'm suggesting more judicious use of moderation on your part, KM.

I guess that might be easier said than done.

Anyway, keep on blogging, and dont lose that fire in your belly.

Cheers,
ZZDOC

Farah said...

Kijangmas,

Any update? It's been more than a month now..

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