Malaysia's victorious run in the AFF Suzuki Cup -- the ASEAN World Cup -- rekindled our patriotism to heights not seen since the epic Thomas Cup win of 1992. The exploits of our Harimau Malaya warriors captured our imagination, as the nation is mesmerised by the team's spirited performance against all odds, not least the fanatical antics of Indonesian supporters in Jakarta. Being extricated out of a hotel under siege and transported to the stadium and back inside a convoy of armoured personnel carriers is certainly a first in world soccer -- another Malaysia Boleh moment to cherish.
What more can I say, except: "Syabas Harimau Malaya atas keperwiraan mu."
With continued guidance, competent coaching and less distraction from bandwagon-jumping politicians, our Harimau Malaya will only get stronger as this is essentially the B team, with at least 10 first choice players injured or unavailable. The AFF Cup winning squad would certainly be pressured for places by the likes of Aidil Zafuan, Zaquan Adha, Baddrol Bathtiar and S. Chanturu plus such established stalwarts such as Indra Putra Mahyuddin, Norhafiz Zamani Misbah and Shukor Adan. This bodes well for Malaysian football as the strength in depth and competition for places would only strengthen Harimau Malaya as we compete beyond the ASEAN region.
I personally witnessed Malaysia's 3-0 demolition of Indonesia in the first leg of the final at Bukit Jalil. I've had my share of sporting events -- from the old Merdeka Tournament to NBA basketball and NFL grid iron to NCAA college football to the 1984 LA Olympics and USA 1994 World Cup -- but the electric atmosphere, the patriotic frenzy, the pride to be Malaysian I witnessed at the stadium was special.
Perhaps we were playing the auld enemy, Indonesia, in a local derby between two brother nations of the Malay World. Perhaps the trash-talk on Facebook, Twitter and innumerable cyber forum sites ignited this surge of patriotic pride. Or perhaps the 5-1 hiding in Jakarta must be avenged. But whatever the cause, the cavernous 100,000 capacity stadium was filled to the brim, with thousands more ticketless fans locked outside.
To soak in the atmosphere, my party took public transport – the LRT – to and fro between the Setiawangsa and Bukit Jalil stations. The journey turned out to be quite memorable. At every station as we got closer to the stadium, ever increasing Malaysian fans resplendent in their Harimau Malaya livery and wrapped in the Jalur Gemilang joined in the merriment, with spontaneous hearty renditions of Inilah Barisan Kita amidst the din of air horns and various mutations of the vuvuzela. I couldn’t help but snigger at the shell-shocked faces of the multifarious foreigners and patently obvious illegals who nowadays seem to roam boldly, freely and noisily in KL’s public transport system. Malaysian patriots reclaimed the LRT at least on that day.
At Bukit Jalil, as the floodgates opened -- 1-0, then 2-0, then 3-0, a legit penalty denied -- with the young Harimau Malaya warriors devouring a shell-shocked Garuda squad, the patriotic pride and camaraderie among the Malaysian supporters reached frenzied proportions. Likewise the huge crowd that watched the Jakarta return leg at Dataran Merdeka's big screen as Malaysia clinched the tie on aggregate. Of course, the throng of fans that overwhelmed KLIA security upon the team's return was almost without precedence. Quite understandably, PM Najib and other politicians quickly cashed in on this "feel good" factor and gleefully jumped on the bandwagon with various pronouncements and incentives.
Across the land, Malaysians proudly wear their replica Harimau Malaya jerseys. Sites dedicated to Malaysian football proliferate in cyberspace. Check out the numerous Facebook pages set-up by Harimau Malaya fans and browse through the often heated cyber-sparring with still sore Indonesian fans. Amidst all the cyber-bravado, "aku bangga jadi anak Malaysia" forms the basis of the Malaysian replies to tragically comedic Indo provocations centered around stolen songs and costumes and now even rendang, kunyit and various condiments as incited by their unethical media plying questionable agendas.
Folks, Malaysian patriotism is back with a vengeance.
BUT something's missing from all these festivities and feel good euphoria that gripped the nation over the past fortnight.
You know what it is?
Now, let's see .....
How come this football epic has become a Malay only story? Firstly, except for Kunanlan and coach Rajagobal, the rest of the football heroes are Malays.
And 99% of the Malaysian supporters at Bukit Jalil are Malays.
And the Malaysian patriots sparring with their aggressive Indo counterparts on Facebook and elsewhere in cyberspace are again practically all Malays.
And the huge Dataran Merdeka crowd that watched the second leg on the big screen are almost all Malays.
Plus the KLIA welcoming crowd are again almost all Malays.
... I can go on and on about hometown receptions and such, but the point is:-
Where are the non-Malays?
What happened to the so-called "nons" amidst all the cheering and national rejoicing? Come on lah, aren't you people proud as well? Why this aversion to partake in celebrations with your fellow rakyat on such joyous occasions? Do you have to be bribed with free food and showered with tax-payers' financed Kongsi Raya giveaways before you shuffle your self-centered butts and elbow your way to sapu the buffet spread like a swarm of locusts?
You demand all sorts of "rights" and the right to be treated equally. But you do not demonstrate to us the majority your willingness to equally share our moments of patriotic joy as fellow rakyats.
You see folks, the nons get angry and demand apologies whenever their patriotism gets questioned? Zahid Hamidi was not incorrect when he questioned the nons' patriotism for their lack of interest in signing up for the armed services (or for that matter the Bomba, JPJ, Customs and other "national service" agencies). It can, of course, be argued that people with "immigrant mentalities" worldwide do not join such instruments of the established order, hence, bringing into question and debate the state of mind of the nons in this country, notwithstanding the fact that most are already 3rd-4th generation Malaysians.
So, can Kit Siang or Karpal .... naah, forget these arthritic dinosaurs, ... now, can Hannah Yeoh or Gobind Singh or Loh Gwo Burne please enlighten the rest of us why you alienise yourselves from the mainstream on such joyous occasions?
Boleh?
Ada logical answer ka?
Boleh?
Ada logical answer ka?
The way I see it, most of you nons lack a sense of belonging in this country. You don't quite fit-in beyond your immediate enclaves. This means that you are just pretenders, yup, phony plasticky citizens of convenience. To suit your needs, you'll pretend to be a Malaysian rakyat. You conveniently morph into a "Malaysian" to get your precious MYCards, priceless Malaysian passports, to acquire properties and to partake in your business activities, legal or otherwise. With those needs satiated, you typically revert to your default mode of being perpetually bitching, rabid Malay-hating subversives bad mouthing my Tanah Tumpah Darah at every opportunity in the real and virtual worlds.
Like this can ah?
And to add an ironic twist to this delusional pantomime, you nons are very adept at pretending to be the "mainstream" to a gullible foreign press and unabashedly use the "kami rakyat Malaysia" or "saya Anak Bangsa Malaysia" and "we have a nation to take back" taglines in your subversive campaigns to reforge Malaysia into some sort of utopia for the nons that exists only in the minds of bored middle-aged underemployed identity-challenged lawyers.
Sick.
And to add an ironic twist to this delusional pantomime, you nons are very adept at pretending to be the "mainstream" to a gullible foreign press and unabashedly use the "kami rakyat Malaysia" or "saya Anak Bangsa Malaysia" and "we have a nation to take back" taglines in your subversive campaigns to reforge Malaysia into some sort of utopia for the nons that exists only in the minds of bored middle-aged underemployed identity-challenged lawyers.
Sick.
As I've mentioned in the past, you self-segregating people stop playing team sports -- football and to a large extent, hockey -- to the point where Malays form 99% of players in the Malaysian professional soccer league and the vast majority in the Malaysian Hockey League (MHL). Of course, our national football and hockey teams have become an all-Malay affair nowadays.
Ayoyo aney and baii, you people don't play hockey anymore ah? Merajuk ka? Takpelah, Malaysia's almost all-Malay team beat India and narrowly lost to Pakistan to achieve a first ever Asian Games Silver medal.
Yeah sure, many nons like my friend Robin say that they just couldn't be bothered by the local football or hockey scene. We now have a situation where the typical Chan Yee How a.k.a. "Jimmy Chan" (with a "Tiffany Tan" -- who wouldn't know a football from other balls -- in tow) or a borderline obese John Muthiah would foam in the mouth when they talk about Liverpool or Chelsea and the EPL -- knowing even the most obscure of players and dissecting every move and "expertly" analysing team tactics over endless mugs of teh tarik at the kopitiam and mamak stalls until the wee hours of the morning -- when in reality these people have hardly touched a real life soccer ball, let alone kick it and, Tuhan forbid, actually play a competitive football match on the muddy grassfield or partake in organised competition in their schooldays and beyond.
An ESPN STARSports commentator actually said during one of Malaysia's early round AFF games that Malaysians are among the world's most avid EPL fans BUT have never set foot in a real stadium in their own country. Agreed, but this applies more aptly to the nons. Obviously the ESPN guy has never attended a Selangor or Kedah home game and I suggest you people attend a Kelantan Red Warriors game in Kota Bharu or when Kelantan makes its annual pilgrimage to Bukit Jalil for either the Malaysia Cup or FA Cup final to appreciate true-blooded Malaysian football pride and passion that would match the delirious Garuda Di Dadaku supporters at Jakarta's Gelora Bung Karno.
No people, these are not Merah Putih fans at Gelora Bung Karno. These are Malaysian football fans, yeah ... supporters of the original merah putih team, Kelantan. Kelantan's Merah Putih livery (1924) predated Indo's version (1945) by 21 years.
Ngapain loe ciplak donk? Gue protes gimana?
Patriotism and politics go hand in hand if you want to appeal to the Malay masses. And this is where the nons lost the plot.
You see, the predominant politics of the nons -- as manifested by the Pakatan Rakyat (see the liberal use of "rakyat" by these people) -- is not about patriotic pride or national advancement. Their politics is driven by hate, by huge chips on their shoulders against the imaginary Malay bogeymen and based on personality cults revolving around the DAP Ah Peks and a feisty old Baii fronted by Malay Apologists such as Brother Anwar, acclaimed by his flock as Anugerah Tuhan, God's gift to this country.
The nons created their current state of political confusion -- with alternative fronts and such -- when they began to belief their own rhetoric and propaganda in a weird process of political self-proselytising among the already converted subversives. A cursory glance in political fantasy sites such as the entertaining People's Parliament (haiya .... again self-designating themselves as representing the rakyat, the "people") reveals the skewed mindset of the congregation. The dozen odd regulars in that blog, blinded by their pathological hatred of the Malays (code named "BN/UMNO" of course), are immersed in a delusional orgy of self-relevance, where they actually think a handful of tak tau cakap Malayu nons -- alienated from grassroot Malaysiana with not even an iota of patriotism -- would determine the future of Malaysian politics from Kuala Perlis to Tumpat to Samarahan to Semporna. These people think Malaysia is a neat little collection of Bandar Utamas or Seri Kembangans where a bunch of kaypoh Ah Sohs and some nothing-better-to-do Indian loyars can influence public opinion and impact the ballot box.
Hence the birth of the MCLM and the Third Force.
Of course, these new political movements are a godsend to BN, particularly UMNO's wobbly political sidekicks, MCA, Gerakan and MIC. Third Force candidates won't win a single seat, but they would cannibalise enough anti-Malay votes from Pakatan to swing the results to BN's favour in 15-20 marginal seats such as Batu, Kelana Jaya and Wangsa Maju come PRU13.
I wouldn't be surprised if BN/UMNO makes sure MCLM and the Third Force thrive over the next six months. I can imagine BN/UMNO's cryptic cheer each time the Third Force earmarks yet another loud-mouth Malay-hating lawyer from the fringes of the social cesspool to be the alternative candidate to BN and PR in PRU13. Of course, Brother Anwar's gang might attempt to co-opt the Third Force by absorbing many of the nominees and make them PR candidates, but these bored, restless, angry menopausal middle-aged men and women -- the ultimate toxic Trojan Horses -- would wreak further havoc inside PKR and DAP with their anarchist streak wrapped in a wickedly condescending "we know what's good for you" demeanour.
These nons never cease to amaze me with their distorted view of their actual relevance and clout in the real Malaysia. I call this ailment the acute inbred cyber proselytising syndrome, a situation where small groups of anxious people from the lunatic fringes of society actually believe their own mutually reinforcing delusional thoughts to the point where they are convinced they can unilaterally retrofit (as the only "moving part" of Malaysia's complex socio-dynamics while the Malay Muslim majority lies frozen in suspended animation) the predominant societal ecosystem to suit their own parochial, prejudiced-laced ethno-cultural existence.
Middle-Aged Political Fantasy Trip a.k.a. Third Force meeting.
Not more than a hundred nons and a sprinkling of their
Not more than a hundred nons and a sprinkling of their
Malay stooges here actually believed THEY hold the
key to Malaysia's political future
key to Malaysia's political future
This irrational sense of relevance to Malaysian politics is demonstrated by the occasional candlelight vigils over nothing. You see, whenever a couple dozen nons hold a candlelight vigil to protest something (... usually a long-winded way to spew some pent-up anti-Malay, anti-Muslim sentiment), they would unabashedly proclaim themselves as the voice and face of the Rakyat, as the anointed front that will "take back" this country from some imaginary dark force.
Huh? Take back what from whom?
Aisey Uncle Aloysius, when was Tanah Melayu and the Borneo states ever in your grasp? Or is this yet another fairytale uttered in SJKC history lessons?
Now let's see, 84% of the electorate for the 1955 federal legislative election were Malay, with Chinese at 11% and Indians 4%. Then we went through the process of dilution of Tanah Melayu's Malay essence with the naturalisation at Merdeka of over a million resident aliens. These pendatangs spawned today's pretend-only Malaysians who now think they have this nation to take back from someone else. Huh? Imagine a tenant of a bilik now wanting to "take back" the whole rumah from the landlord?!
Haiya Ah Pek and Ah Soh, if there ever was a group that needs to "take back" this country -- after giving away soooo very much of everything -- it would be the Melayus laa!
Betul ka?
Betul ka?
See what happens to a congregation when bombarded repeatedly by the same deviant thoughts by some cyber High Priest? Sick.
Apa ni? 10-20 orang main lilin birthday cake pun sudah
mengaku jadi wakil seluruh rakyat Malaysia ka?
mengaku jadi wakil seluruh rakyat Malaysia ka?
Cute little candles are for kiddies'
birthdays lah Uncle and Auntie ...
Now ... these are my type of candles ........ road flares!
Real patriots guna flares maaah ..... and move aside Che Guevara. Make way for SuperMokh, Mokhtar Dahari ... a true patriot.
Nah, tengok ni.
100,000 orang PATRIOTIK di Bukit Jalil. Macam ni baru lah
boleh claim wakili seluruh rakyat Malaysia. Betul ka?
Bukan 20 orang main lilin bikin bising tepi longkang.
Oh, ... lu olang belani pigi sana ka? Gua tunggu.
Anyway, as I've said before, the Third Force and MCLM choirboys (misled by that peculiar malignant narcissist non with a Malay name, ... but that's another story) are nothing more than spoiled rabid Malay haters in need of another playpen after their ill-fated three-year infatuation with the unrepentant crooks and bungling simpletons of PR. Oh yes, these racists are cunning enough to parade pseudo-Malays or Malay-like faces in the forefront to legitimise their agendas. They would court the Melayu Sesat, the lost Malays, plus confused "Malay" half-breeds brought up in a non-Malay universe by estranged non-Malay parents, which they then unleash into the political scene as convenient DAP-hugging "Malayus."
Naah, these are not the real rakyat. These are not patriots. You wouldn't find them in stadiums to support the Malaysian Super League teams or our young overachieving Harimau Malaya national team. They don't want to live in harmony with the rest of us, not least the Malay majority. They are not interested in nation building, in forging a unified nation with a shared destiny. No. Malaysia to them is just a comfortable roost for the next leg of their multi-generational social journey towards some ill-defined promised land.
See what happened to PM Najib's 1 Malaysia logo in PR-controlled Selangor? Banned. The very symbol of Malay concessions -- Najib's foolish recognition of alien cultures and languages to be placed on the same pedestal as Bahasa Melayu and Malay culture in this land called Malaysia -- is itself rejected by the nons themselves, by the very people that should have rejoiced at the government's extra-constitutional means to explicitly accept their lingua-cultural specificities in a policy of pragmatic multiculturalism.
Yes, even 1 Malaysia they reject.
Si Melayu Liberal mau kasi apa lagi?
And this rejection of Malay concessions is spearheaded by a cocky little prick named Liu Tian Khiew a.k.a. "Ronnie Liu." Wau lau eh, this "Ronnie Liu" so terrer one laa, ... can overrule the federal government of Malaysia in the richest and most strategic state of the federation. And you nons still have the cheek to play with birthday candles and tell the world there's no democracy in this country?
Like this susah lah.
Lu olang suka main lilin. Lilin itu api. Kita olang pun suka main api. Tapi kita pakai lagi busat punya api. Gua ingat kita dua-dua jangan main-main sama api maaah ...
So folks, you want to see the real Rakyat?
Si Melayu Liberal mau kasi apa lagi?
And this rejection of Malay concessions is spearheaded by a cocky little prick named Liu Tian Khiew a.k.a. "Ronnie Liu." Wau lau eh, this "Ronnie Liu" so terrer one laa, ... can overrule the federal government of Malaysia in the richest and most strategic state of the federation. And you nons still have the cheek to play with birthday candles and tell the world there's no democracy in this country?
Like this susah lah.
Lu olang suka main lilin. Lilin itu api. Kita olang pun suka main api. Tapi kita pakai lagi busat punya api. Gua ingat kita dua-dua jangan main-main sama api maaah ...
So folks, you want to see the real Rakyat?
Follow my footsteps and board the LRT to Bukit Jalil the next time Harimau Malaya plays. See the tens of thousands of young patriots who are the real future of this nation, who will vote and who will propagate over the next two decades to forge the real Malaysia of the next 20-30 years. They are the future face of Malaysia, not the odd dozen Ah Bengs, Ah Mois, aunties and uncles and the occasional Uncle Raju with a weird fetish for birthday candles who actually believed they represent Mainstream Malaysiana in the face of demographic realities.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 296 of 296It needs to be repeated again and again that loyalty and patriotism is not a tradeable commodity.
It is not dependent upon paying tax or the Government providing all that the citizens want, or adopting policies suitable to all sectors of the population all the time.
Conformity to all the laws, rules and regulations of the country is the automatic demand by the State of all its citizens, nay, by all those who are in this country, irrespective of citizenship, permanenet stay or temporary or visitor status.
Those who do not conform incur the wrath of the protectors of the laws under the Penal Code and the Police Act.
Conformity to, respect for and abiding by the Constitution of the country is the basic requirement of all citizens. It must be the basis for the issue of citizenship and should be made a prerequisite for the issue of Mykad.
The Constitution is the highest set of laws in the land, all other laws emanate from it and cannot contradict it. It must be regarded with sanctity and utmost respect, and everybody appointed to public posts be made to swear allegiance to the YDP Agong and to uphold the Constitution before commencing duties in such posts. Those who have already sworn such allegiance must remember to uphold it at all times and act where and when necessary.
The Constitution is the measure of loyalty and patriotism to the country. True, loyalty precedes a feeling of patriotism for no one can be patriotic if he has questionable loyalty to the country.
Non-respect for the Constitution incur the wrath of citizens who are loyal and patriotic. This has been obvious from the tone of the comments in here that have been expressed by those who are passionate in their feelings for the country.
There can be divergent views but must be within the limits of the Constitution and the laws consequent to or connected with it. For example, everybody is free to state their opinions but must not be seditious. Everybody is equal but must acknowledge Article 153 on the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak.
There is no such thing as unity in diversity because it allows for differing values, hopes and aspirations. It is a plain and simple fact that parallel lines never meet. Unity in diversity is only good as tourism commercials and billboards. We need to grapple with the huge problems of racial harmony and national unity, getting everybody fully respect such things as Article 152 mandating Bahasa Malaysia as the National Language.
There is no such thing as "alternative mainstream". There is only one mainstream, which, by definition, is "for the most part, principal channel, for water, etc". It is indeed queer logic, or no logic but warped thinking, to say there is more than one mainstream. For how can there be two "most parts" of anything.
Those politicians resorting to political expediency by echoing the slogan of unity in diversity for the sake of votes must rethink their stand. Even the traditionally liberal British politicians are smarting up to the divisive forces that promote their non-British mainstream values, hopes and aspirations. The British Prime Minister, together with the German Chancellor, have just declared "multi-culturalism is dead".
If Malaysian leaders continue to promote the divisive concept of unity in diversity instead of promoting a single, united and cohesive Bangsa Malaysia, the time will come when they will be given the Hosni Mubarak treatment. No need to go to the streets but just do it at the party annual general assemblies or supreme council meetings.
Aku.
The nuns are very selfish lot. When it's Lee Chong Wei, they are quick to say it's their kind.
Keep on reminding us the badminton champs are all Chinese.
But the Malays still cheer for him. And they forgot it is a Malay who trained Chog Wei.
I dread if anything happens to this country. It's us Malays who will defend it.
They will just sit at home and eat pork.
The rch ones will fly to HK or Australia.
Agreeing with ikhwan's comment 12.48 PM -
As has been said earlier, there's no such thing as more than one mainstream. Just as there's no such thing as two first. There's only one first and the other second. And one mainstream, the other is non-mainstream.
It may be stretching the point, but it needs to be laboured upon to show these people with funny ways of thinking the logical way of thinking.
I think such strange perception comes out from products of Chinese schools. Many of those DAP members and supporters think like that and have expressed themselves so, here and there in blogs. Comments in Malaysian Insider, Malaysia Today, M'kini etc are full of them.
At the extreme level, Lim Guan Eng says he is Malaysian First, Chinese Second. Yet he named a public facility in Penang after Sun Yat Sen. That surely makes him Sun Yat Sen First and China Second. Malaysia and being Chinese are nowhere in his calculation. Cakap tak serupa bikin.
Not drawing inspiration from this country Malaysia and from Malaysians who have contributed to Penang or to this country reflects his misplaced sentiments, questionable sense of loyalty and patriotism to this country. If he is looking to mainland China for inspiration, he should resign, pack up and go.
Those having the funny perception that the so-called unity in diversity is mainstream opinion must really be looking from the wormhole and with squinted eyes. Just look at the majority in this country, and remember that the politicians who may go along with the tourism-catching slogan are only a smattering few, and they do so purely for the sake of votes.
The so-called unity in diversity allows for the immigrant races to maintain differing sets of values, hopes and aspirations. And, like Lim Guan Eng, look to mainland China for inspiration. Loyalty and patriotism will go down the drain with such values and thinking. Racial harmony and long-term unity will be hard to come by under the circumstances.
No such thing as unity in diversity. We need single stream schooling and whatever else that can produce a united and cohesive Bangsa Malaysia for long-term peace and prosperity in this country. Those who have doubtful loyalties and think of other countries should really just go.
Aku.
Interesting topic Syed Akbar Ali now puts. Religion is useless, Pakai tudung tak wajib because its not in the Quran (he once said Aisyah is probably a fictional character because she's not mentioned in the Quran) and the the scholars (oolar mamaks, he calls them) are Islam's biggest enemies. Take that, Ahmad bin Hambal. Just die, Imam Shafi'ie. Go fly a kite, imam Ghazali.
Sapa nak bet Syed ni even pray ker tidak. Camner nak pray? Description of how to do prayers mana ada dalam Quran.
Latest, whenever some commenters express doubts about Islam and Religion, Syed Akbar ni , instead of counseling, kata ..."There are certain things that I cannot say out loudly." Atau "if I say what is my thoughts, the authorities will come down upon me".
Macam laa kita tak tahu that he is propounding an extreme form of Anti-Hadithm, one which borders atheistic or agnostic beliefs.
Does his friend, Mahadir, know that his aqidah is like this?
Sahabat SaTD
Aku said.."At the extreme level, Lim Guan Eng says he is Malaysian First, Chinese Second. Yet he named a public facility in Penang after Sun Yat Sen."
I was wondering what this was about as in my mind, a public facility would be something like a public library or park. So I tried to look around and found only two potential sites:
1. Dr. Sun Yat Sen's Base
2. Sun Yat-Sen Memorial Centre, 65 Macalister Rd.
After reading those descriptions at the respective sites, turns out they are private properties and the government even gave financial support to the building 21 Nov 2010— Kerajaan persekutuan telah menyumbang RM150,000 untuk pameran muzium tokoh revolusi China Dr Sun Yat Sen di sini, kata Menteri di Jabatan Perdana Menteri Tan Sri Dr Koh Tsu Koon.
It's not like it was a Perpustakaan Awam Sun Yat Sen. Unless there is some memo Aku received that I did not.
That being said, I agree fully with the rest of Aku's arguments. The Constitution is the only way to go.
Sahabat SaTD,
I think Syed Akbar Ali can write whatever he wants just like our Bosz KM can write whatever he wants as it is their blogs. The fact that SAA writes non-anonymously speaks for itself.
ikhwan said:-
"... why the UMNO government been allocating a 4 billion bridge project to Penang which is controlled by the Chinese chauvinist DAP meanwhile throating the budget to the kelantanese PAS. Both ... opposition but ... the kelantanese should be given the priority over the DAP controlled Penang ... I reckon that there are still hope with the Malays but not with the Chinese Chauvinist."
Interesting observation Ikhwan.
Yes, the RM4 billion plus could have been spent on basic infra in many other underdeveloped parts of the country. While it makes little political sense to "reward" the PRU12 anti-UMNO/BN sentiment of the Penang electorate, the "corporate" equation underlying the bridge project is more complex.
This project, of course, was conceived at a time when BN ruled the state. PR's victory in 2008 did placed some temporary kinks in its implementation, but entrenched vested interests pushed the project through. A large concessionary loan from Communist China was already on the table and too many promises, hopes and expectations were riding on this project, with the expected trickle-down distribution of the largesse to BN/UMNO-friendly subcons and suppliers. Plus of course the joint main contractor, Khazanah-owned UEM Group, needs this high profile job on its books.
As for Kelantan, this state will continue to endure the double-whammy of PAS state govt. incompetency and UMNO federal govt. neglect until and unless UMNO wrests control of this Malay Heartland from the malevolent mullahs.
Is it possible? It's up to the Kelantanese themselves.
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Naif said:-
"To Hua Yong: Aww,the language too harsh for you Mr.Sensitive? Been to Malaysiakini/Today/Insider lately? ... I suggest you peruse the comments section of ANY article in the aforementioned websites and you're bound to see some form of Malay bashing ..."
And this Malay-bashing prevails in these gutter sites because 99% of Malay responses are barred. I've given up rebutting the wild anti-Malay trash in there as my comments are never published. In comparison, DN takes all comers, including the damaged goods, Melayu sesats and everyone in between.
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Naif said:-
"In any other country having a single stream school is a no brainer but here its defended as if its a holy war against the Malay horde hell bent on wiping out chinese/indian culture from the face of this land."
Yeah, you know why?
It's because the Melayus allow this sekolah harams to linger and allow endless senseless debate over a moot point. The real bottom-line to end all talk should just be the standard stand of other self-respecting countries: One Nation, One School, period.
BUT somehow the Malay leadership -- from the Tunku all the way to Najib -- erroneously regard these sekolah harams as a political carrot to lure and pacify the obstinate nons. This is akin to dishing out more arak and vino to the staggering alcoholic in the hope of sobering the drunkard.
Boleh ka?
The Cold Turkey Thai way is the only method when you deal with hard core addicts who have an irrational need to "belong" to some faraway language and culture that their forefathers endured tremendous hardships to escape from to build a new life in this land.
How have all of you guys been doing? It's been awhile since my last comment.
Let's be real, the Chinese and Tamil schools will never be abolished. They'll stay there forever. The upside to it? The non-bumis won't be able to abolish the Malay rights.
You have to be insanely optimistic if you think that the non-bumis will be willing to forgo their schools unless they have equal rights. The tit for tat culture of today I guess.
Hey there are a lot of good things just letting the way things are slide. At least most of us Malays won't have to take STPM. Holy shit that exam looks really hard.
Adam
KijangMas,
Quite exhausted from travel but wanna put in a few words.
I like the following statement of yours -
"And this Malay-bashing prevails in these gutter sites because 99% of Malay responses are barred. I've given up rebutting the wild anti-Malay trash in there as my comments are never published."
Me, too, KM. Jut not worthwhile trying to comment in M.Insider/ M'kini/ M'Today. They are the most undemocratic lot in the country yet trying to espouse democratic values. Like hell they don't want other views but their own heard or read. Crazy fellows.
Haha, mebbe I'm one of those "everyone in between" (if so, don't mind it at all) in your "DN takes all comers, including the damaged goods, Melayu sesats and everyone in between." When I find I can't communicate with the damaged goods who appear to have warped thinking, demented sense of values and lack of respect for the Constitution of the country, I simply excuse myself out and let others continue with the bashing of those wayward fellas!
Aku.
Adam,
What is real is that vernacular schools are not consistent or in conformity with Article 152 of the Constitution, man. What has been there for over 50 years does not mean it is right.
Only you and a small percentage of the population think it will not change. Najib already said in Parliament and in his 1Malaysia blog that SSS "will be implemented when the rakyat wants it". I believe when the Malays are united and UMNO/BN becomes strong, he will act on it, otherwise we urge UMNO members to act on him. They have done so to their leaders in the past.
Btw, the Kempen SSS people don't talk about "abolishing" vernacular schools - only merging them with the national schools.
And who the hell talks about abolishing Malay rights? There'll be riots, even war, if that happens, man. Did you not read that recently in Fiji, even when the immigrant majority won the elections that allowed them political power, the Army simply grabbed power and ruled by decrees?
"insanely optimistic"? Obviously you have been mixing with the wrong crowd, boy. Grow up, mix around, hear other views, try the mainstream views. No such thing as "tit for tat culture of today" if you know enough of the history of the country (will be compulsory subject in schools beginning from 2013 - it was suggested in the Memo to the MOE drafted by the Kempen SSS people), if you are familiar with the background to the Constitution drafting and the contents of the Constitution.
Mebbe KijangMas wd allow this in - no tit for tat but mebbe tit for tit! And if you think it does not mean nice, remember that the fault, dear Adam, lies not in the idea but in the interpretation!
Aku.
Dear Aku,
I want the SSS. A lot of us want it. But I honestly don't think it will happen, not in today's climate at least.
Najib isn't going to do sh*t. He'll do what he has to do to stay in power. You think he'll be forceful enough to implement the Satu Sekolah system?
Say we implement the SSS. Do you honestly think that the Chinese and Tamil school board and officials are going to sit idly by? Heck no. They're not just going to lay back and let you change their lives, however closed and misguided they are from the mainstream.
I'll tell you guys a story of what my friend went through at the BTN before flying to England. Just a side story for fun. Later.
Adam
Adam,
Good that you want SSS and that you think a lot of people want SSS. But if you say it will not happen, chances are it won't happen, will it? Najib will just take comfort knowing you think so and will continue placating the nons whose votes he may be prepared to prostitute Article 152 of the Constitution for.
We have to keep calling for SSS, shout for it, clamour for it and, when opportune, even have demonstrations for it - with Police permit and in a peaceful way, of course.
We need to let Najib continuously be reminded of his own statements in Parliament and in his 1Malaysia blog that "the single-stream system of education will be implemented when the rakyat wants it", and repeatedly point out that it needs to be determined in a transparent and open manner whether the rakyat wants it now or not. And that the safest way for him to do it is via a referendum.
He has the power, he has the force, only lacking in political will on this, brother. Political will he definitely has but right now it's the will to win PRU13 and win big. We know that but that does not mean we keep quiet. Let's keep on making noise, in acceptable and democratic ways.
"Say we implement the SSS" - When that happens, it does not matter what the "the Chinese and Tamil school board and officials" do or don't do. Remember that SSS does not speak for the destruction or demolition of the vernacular schools, the dismissal of teachers and support staff. SSS speaks for the "merging" of the vernacular schools with the national schools, adopt BM as the medium of instruction and the same syllabus as the SKs, with Mandarin and Tamil taught as elective subjects.
Even the school board and officials may be given places at the discretion of the Education authorities, and the fixed assets be negotiated with the Government. The teachers can continue teaching with re-training organised for them. All these will of course depend on the findings and the recommendations of the in-depth study the SSS promoters proposed be done by an independent and non-partisan study team.
SSS is not intended to change the lives of the school board and officials, and if, after SSS implementation, they choose to continue being "closed and misguided .. from the mainstream", it does not really matter because the children would already have been freed from their clutches as far as school time is concerned.
Aku.
Adam,
Don't worry about the BTN courses and what they tell participants there. Those making issues of the BTN are the anarchistic opposition DAP who always try to find each and everything they can to exploit, twist and incite the feelings of the people with.
You have tertiary education and are able to distinguish the good from the bad. Only a matter of the right or the wrong information, facts or fiction, truth or misinformation that you may be receiving or exposed to by your contacts, circle of friends, and the kind of information materials you read. I trust you will use your discretion in sieving out the truths from fiction, twisted logic or spinning (even the Americans and the British did a lot of such spinning to justify the Iraq War, remember? And no weapons of mass destruction were ever found until now!)
Remember also that the BTN has existed in the Prime Minister's Department for decades since the 1960s and no one complained about it until the bloody opposition exploited it a few years ago. Note that fellas like the Lim Kit Siang and Lim Guan Eng dynasty hit at the BTN attempts at creating awareness on loyalty and patriotism among the course participants. They shouted being "Malaysian First, Chinese Second" yet named some building or what in Penang after Sun Yat Sen, and, as has been pointed out earlier, it showed that they are "Sun Yat Sen First, mainland China Second".
By all means, tell the story of what your friend "went through at the BTN before flying to England". I hope he is a sincere and loyal Malaysian, wanting long-term peace and unity in this country - that which BTN ascribes to, and not a non, or a pro-Opposition fellow.
Tell it as a side story for fun or as a full story for debate here, I don't mind and KijangMas has published a lot of divergent views even rude comments. But if your friend or you try to make fun of what BTN says, without proof, fully substantiated or verifiable details, I'm afraid you and him are in for a bashing in here.
It's not a threat, my friend, it's just a statement of willingness to go "an eye for an eye" by those of us who are passionate about the country we love and the attempts at bringing about long-term peace and unity.
I'm not a Government Officer, nor a paid agent of the Government or anybody. I'm a free agent, speaking for myself, having lived 1-2 places abroad, traveled the world a bit, mixed with many foreigners, and have had my share of socializing in this country, and am fully conscious of the need to build this country into a decent place to live in. I want to do what I can as a private citizen.
Hope you do the same and have a good day.
Aku.
Aku said...BTN attempts at creating awareness on loyalty and patriotism among the course participants.
...But if your friend or you try to make fun of what BTN says, without proof, fully substantiated or verifiable details, I'm afraid you and him are in for a bashing in here.
What's up Aku? Masih tak habih-habih dengan Sun Yat Sen. It appears that you are the one who fired all over the place, not substantiating what you wrote. First, it was a "public facility", then after I called you out, tukar cerita pula and called it "some building or what".
Cakap tak serupa bikin. And here you are dishing out advice to Adam. From your comment, it can be read between the lines that you are afraid what Adam has to say about BTN come out in the open, and since I can't read your mind I am not going to speculate, you may have good intentions.
Just a simple test for BTN, if it really is about nation building, patriotism and bringing together all Malaysians irrespective of roots, then do it in an open manner. Why hide behind closed doors? Allow students to record whatever is being said on film or audio. Unless of course, if they have some other agenda that can not be let out in the open.
The SSS is a good start, and all of us here agree to it, but everything will come undone once kids hit secondary school and see for themselves the different systems for different people.
Like you I am a private rakyat with no political affiliations and only want to see the best for my country.
My word of advice to the haters at the SSS (below).
The 'personal' discussions going on here are one thing, but the SSS blog as the semi-official front should at least be more discriminatory in the stuff they post. They can't even come up with decent articles in Bahasa Malaysia and there they are accusing others of disrespecting the national language. Same goes for the commenters everywhere. Ever visited Malay language based forums lately, what bahasa do they teach the kids at schools nowadays?
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Tuan Admin SSS,
Ini pemerhatian peribadi saya. Saya tidak faham halatuju blog SSS akhir-akhir ini daripada beberapa masukan yang lepas. Adakah blog ini sudah menjadi blog-benci kaum Cina.
Saya tidak dapat memahami logik saudara/i bagaimana pemaparan tulisan-tulisan berunsur kebencian ini akan dapat menyebarkan kepentingan SSS, Satu Sekolah untuk Semua - objektif utama blog ini.
Paparan seperti 'Di sana Malaysia, di sini China' dan yang mengenai kepelbagaian budaya (multiculturalism) - apakah kaitan isu-isu tersebut dengan tujuan SSS untuk menyeru agar rakyat Malaysia bersatu dalam satu sistem persekolahan di peringkat rendah. Sekiranya terus dicerca dan caci, apakah ia akan dapat mengundang mereka untuk menyertai kempen SSS.
Sebagai satu-satunya blog SSS rasmi, diharapkan penggunaan bahasa kebangsaan, Bahasa Malaysia, dalam blog ini adalah tepat dan boleh menjadi teladan kepada blog-blog berjiwa kebangsaan yang lain. Apakah gunanya menepuk dada dan melaung-laung kepada orang lain untuk menghormati bahasa kebangsaan sedangkan tulisan-tulisan yang dipaparkan di sini, contohnya penulisan cerita 'Ops Lalang' ini, menunjukkan penulisan yang 'cincai'. Penggunaan huruf besar dan struktur ayat betul pun tidak diendah.
Saya harap sebagai blog rasmi kempen SSS, Tuan akan memaparkan tulisan berkualiti yang boleh menunjukkan keindahan dan kebolehan Bahasa Malaysia iaitu bahasa kebangsaan kita, digunakan untuk bermusyawarah mengenai isu SSS ini.
msleepyhead,
What's with you, Miss, Mister or Mrs? Now going on semantics pulak, picking on my choice of words "facility", "place" or whatever. What about receptacle? Bitching, ha?
Are you Big Brother to Adam? Wanna defend Adam konon? You can chip in my dialogue with him, but don't bitch, la. You itching for some bashing? I don't do that to girls, la. And don't you now say I'm changing style or position pulak.
What's your point about my "tak habih-habih dengan Sun Yat Sen"? You DAP, too? Et tu brute? (Brute as in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, in case you want to bitch me for choice of words this time oso). What's so great about Sun Yat Sen? Where's the justification on using Sun Yat Sen's name for naming things. And who said I changed from "public facility" to whatever in the first place? You are quite perasan or conceited in implying I changed it because of you. Any other credit you want to claim, dearie?
If I appear to you to be "the one who fired all over the place", you must be squint eyed, are you? Also a one-eyed jackass because I have substantiated what I wrote. And I don't have time jsutifying what I said. In fact, I've already wasted my time writing this but need to reply to tell you not to be bitchy and, instead, to be constructive in your comments.
Instead of "reading between the lines" in the negative way, you could have substantiated what you said by giving instances of BTN wrong doings other than those already written by others in the past. Are you an agent provocateur trying to get BTN open to the public the courses they hold? You must be nuts, woman. Have such courses in Bukit Jalil Stadium or what?
Then you conjecture that I'm "afraid what Adam has to say about BTN come out in the open". Can it not occur in your twisted mind that all I was trying to do was to get him to be ready with and put out the justification, facts, figures and details to substantiate what will be written? I said so, didn't I. Didn't you read what I wrote fully? Or you were really bitching?Or itching for a fight? I don't fight lassies, you know. The only fight I do with women is on ... eat your heart out as to what I mean!
Like hell, you "can't read my mind". But you don't even have to speculate, woman - I wrote to Adam about the justifying bit.
Aku.
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msleepyhead,
What "simple test for BTN" are you talking about? Even PM's Dept has to be tested by you and the likes of you? How about a test on loyalty and patriotism for you and your kind?
How about you writing giving us proof here that you are loyal and patriotic to this country? Can you list the proofs out soon after this? Are you also asking "Give me what I want then only I give what the country wants"? Et tu, brute? What kind of loyalty and patriotism do you subscribe to, ha?
Yes, give the proofs "in an open manner" here. "Why hide behind closed doors? Allow us to record whatever you said" and verify them. Give references to the proofs you provide so that we can verify them. "Unless, of course, (you) have some other agenda that can not be let out in the open."
PM's Dept oso you people want to belittle. Like the DAP goons, you want to find each and everything to question, exploit, hit out and instigate.
The only mitigating factor is that you agree on SSS. But it doesn't mean you can ride rough shods on other issues. It's been commented and I also have noticed you being mischievous with funny remarks in the past. Here is another one - "everything will come undone once kids hit secondary school and see for themselves the different systems for different people". How about substantiating that, Missie? Tak substantiate - cakap tak serupa bikin?
What are you trying to say there, ponogorro? You are insinuating at the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak, aren't you? (See, I ask you first, instead of accusing you or trying to read your mind. And I use a a Gidambario word against you trying to be in "different systems for different people"!)
"only want to see the best for my country"? Go by the Constitution of the country, man - or woman. No other way but that. It's been said here, there, everywhere: the Constitution is the highest set of laws of the country, all other laws emanate from them.
The sensitive aspects of the Constitution cannot be discussed, much less questioned - they are protected by the Sedition Act. The Malay and Bumiputera Special Position and non-Malay citizenship. Questioning one will lead to counter-questioning the other and it'll be no damn good for anybody.
Already loyal and passionate Malaysians have said those who do not respect and live by the Constitution should abscond, for who can rightly be a citizen if he/ she does not respect and adhere to the Constitution of the country?
No country in the world will allow its citizens not to respect its Constitution. Even liberal Britain has said multiculturalism (allowing those wanting to maintain their non-British values) is dead and the Germans have echoed that. The British have started chasing those over-staying so-called students and social visitors working in Chinese restaurants in Britain out of their country.
Aku.
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msleepyhead,
By "being constructive" I mean, for example, try to suggest how else we can get Malaysians to be loyal and patriotic - that I think BTN has been trying to do all this while.
Impose a special loyalty tax? Treble or quadruple that for patriotism tax?
Or wake up every morning and shout to all the neighbours "I LOVE MY COUNTRY MALAYSIA" 100 times or so?
Haha, can't blame me for being cynical. Many of you people have not even said thank you to the Malay leaders who agreed to your citizenship at Merdeka.
And some have the bloody cheek to say that Tun Tan Siew Sin, who said the Malays "have been generous enough" on 2 occasions, was not a part of you ingrates, that he belonged to the past generation. Which prompted one blogger saying in his post that the Malays also would then not recognize the citizenship right the Malay leaders agreed to at Merdeka.
You see, a bad attitude begets another. Enough already. Let's all respect the Constitution fully or look for greener pastures where those concerned can show their loyalty and patriotism.
And I thank KM for writing this article which covers loyalty and patriotism.
Hello Aku and MsSleepyhead,
You two make a cute couple, albeit a little dysfunctional. :) . The love-hate relationships are the more interesting ones right? More spice.
Anyways, the story of BTN won't get me bashed. I'm telling a story remember? It's not my personal view. Here goes:
My buddy (a girl whom I will refer to as Ms Z) is one of the smartest person I know. Every place she goes, she'll get number one in the school. That was the case in the sekolah rendah we went to, sekolah menengah, mrsm, and even in university where she graduated with a masters in just 4 years.
After working in Malaysia for awhile she decided to pursue her PhD. She eventually got tired of working in the corporate world and decided she wanted to thread into academia, opting to do her PhD in the UK with a full scholarship provided by a Malaysian univeristy. She got accepted into Cambridge, but declined that to go to Imperial (even smart people make wrong decisions :) !).
Ms Z has been married to my other buddy for two years now. They have a lovely baby boy.
So as usual before jetting off, Ms Z had to go to BTN. But she wasn't ready for the questions that were coming. At one of the sessions, they divided the group of attendees.
First they split up all the guys and the girls. After splitting them up, they further split the girls up into two groups. One of the groups were girls who had children of their own, the other group were a bunch of girls who didn't have children.
The first question they asked her group was: "Awak semua tahu apa itu definisi Melayu?" No one in her group knew. (forgive her, she's not into politics and such questions never really crossed her mind before). When they couldn't answer memang diorang terus kena maki hamun. "Apa ni? Definisi Melayu pun tak tau. Memalukan. Kamu semua tahu tak, orang Cina dan India semua tahu apa itu definisi Melayu. Definisi Melayu adalah...." the guy told her that a definition of a Malay is that the person speaks BM, follows the Malay customs and is a Muslim.
Then after that, they started to implement scare tactics to the attendees including Ms Z. "Saya tahu, ramai antara korang yg bijak pandai. Ramai antara korang yang cakap kita Melayu tak perlu hak istimewa, dan mungkin ramai antara korang akan dapat biasiswa walaupun kamu bukan Melayu. Tapi korang rasa anak kamu boleh dapat ke tak biasiswa jika kamu bukan Melayu?"
Wah. Hebat gila BTN. I have to applaud the psychological tactics that they thought out.
I went through BTN as well a long time ago. They mentioned the usual stuff heard here on DN. 1) We Malays are broke, but luckily we still have political power. 2) Don't say you don't want hak bumiputra. Cause there are plenty of other people who want it and you have to champion it..
ok wil sambung later. friend at front door....
Adam
msleepyhead,
Ingin saya mempertahankan laman citra Kempen SSS dan Pentadbiran SSS. Saya dapati kritik anda terhadap mereka sedikit menghairankan.
Mereka sudah terangkan beberapa kali, dipermulaan rencana, dikomen komen dan dilain lain tempat, sebabnya ada rencana rencana atau komen komen dibenarkan didalam Bahasa Inggeris. Tujuannya ialah supaya pesanan pesanan (messages) didalam rencana tersebut sampai kepembaca yang ditujukan, termasuk kapada mereka yang kurang fasih didalam Bahasa Malaysia. Maka laman web ini tidak berupa darjah sekolah dimana murid murid diberi penerangan didalam bahasa pengantar sahaja. Tujuan laman web ini ialah memikat dan mendapatkan - tidak memaksa - pembaca faham, sedar dan setuju dengan pesanan yang terkandung didalam rencana rencana tersebut.
Tentulah anda tahu bahawa “memikat dan mendapatkan” mereka faham dll itu ada beberapa cara. Bidang psikoloji itu amat luas, dan diAmerika, walau pun dikatakan amat luas pemandangan atau “liberal”, usaha usha mendapatkan maanusia faham, setuju dsbnya dengan kehendak mereka berakhir dengan “water-boarding” kapada tahanan diGuantanamo Bay, yang serupa tahanan ISA diMalaysia. Kempen SSS jauh sekali tidak berniat seperti itu, tetapi mungkin ada menggunakan cara “sayang anak, sepak sepakkan”, sindir menyindir, malahan sedikit maki hamun yang berpatutan (reasonable scolding, chiding, rebuke), sebab sudah 53 tahun Merdeka dan mengakui rakyat Malaysia tetapi masih ada yang tidak boleh bertutur didalam Bahasa Malaysia.
Maka begitu juga dengan pemilihan rencana rencana yang dimuatkan dilaman citra SSS. Setiap satu rencana yang dipilih itu ada pesanan didalam nya, sama ada menerangkan, memperingatkan, menonjol pemikiran, walau pun menyindir pembaca yang ditujukan supaya sedar pentingnya penggunaan Bahasa Kebangsaan, perlunya sistem sekolah satu aliran, dahaganya keadaan sekarang akan perpaduan diantara rakyat. Rencana “Ops Lalang” yang anda sebutkan itu perlu dilihat dari segi pesanan didalamnya, perkara bahasa adalah sekundar atau “secondary”. Perlu juga disedari bahawa bukan sahaja kaum yang disindir, malahan pemerintah juga dikritik dibeberapa rencana yang dimuatkan.
Anda perlu sedar bahawa, kerana kaum Cina adalah 23% jumlah penduduk berbanding dengan 7% kaum India, dan kerana banyak yang menyuarakan tentang BM dan sebagainya adalah dari kaum Cina, maka banyaklah rencana yang dimuatkan dan komen komen yang dikeluarkan memberi hujah hujah kapada, termasuk sindir menyindir, kaum Cina.
Perkara cara dan tahap bahasa mereka gunakan bila menulis komen, mahu pun rencana yang dimuatkan itu, juga adalah perkara sekunder atau “secondary”. Anda juga perlu sedar bahawa ini adalah blog, dan blog ada kebiasaan atau “protocol”nya tersendiri. Ada masa masanya SSS menulis rencana secara resmi atau “formal”, dengan bahasa resmi, tapi perlu diingat lagi bahawa ini bukan sekolah atau pejabat atau laman citra Kerajaan. Ini hanya tempat bersuara dengan tujuan ulungnya menerangkan dan mendapatkan pembaca yang ditujukan faham dan setuju dengan pesanan yang dikeluarkan.
So’al kesan Kempen SSS itu boleh dibincang atau “debateable”. Kempen SSS boleh berbangga bahawa memestikan sejarah disekolah sekolah, yang disyorkan diMemo kapada Menteri Pelajaran yang diderap mereka itu, telah menjadi realiti. Walau pun inspirasi besar bagi Menteri Pelajaran membuat keputusan baginya adalah UMNO sebab pengumumannya dibuat diMesyuarat Agung Tahunan UMNO yang lalu.
Maju
Perlu dinyatakan disini bahawa tidak ada so’al “benci kaum Cina”. Sasaran adalah mereka yang mengaku sebagai rakyat Malaysia dan menggunakan kemudahan bagi rakyat negara ini, walau pun dengan hanya menggunakan paspot Malaysia, tidak boleh bertutur didalam Bahasa Malaysia. Sindir menyindir dsbnya itu ditujukan kapada mereka seperti itu. Jika anda merasakan tulisan-tulisan itu “berunsur kebencian”, masakan anda sendiri fasih didalam Bahasa Malaysia, mungkin anda merasa malu atau “guilty conscious” bagi pihak kaum anda. Maka alangkah baiknya jika anda cuba mendapatkan yang lain itu juga fasih didalam Bahasa Malaysia dan setuju dengan SSS, mungkin menulis dan memujuk secara yang anda lebih arif berkenaan kaum anda sendiri, bukan sahaja disini, tetapi juga diblog blog lain, termasuk blog yang pendapat orang Melayu biasa selalunya tidak disiarkan, seperti Malaysian Insider, Malaysiakini, Malaysia Today.
Penulisan berkenaan kepelbagaian budaya (multiculturalism) adalah ditujukan kapada Dong Zong dan yang sepertinya, yang bukan sahaja mahukan Mandarin sebagai bahasa pengantar, tetapi juga pemikiran karut “multi-nations within a nation” yang pernah disebut pemimpinnya. Ini membayangkan kemahuan meneruskan nilai nilai yang tidak berupa “keMalaysiaan” atau bersatu padu. Pemimpin pemimpin Britain dan Germany telah mengatakan mereka mahukan nilai nilai British dan German dianuti mereka yang tinggal dinegara negara tersebut.
“Multiculturalism is dead”, kata mereka, maksudnya tidak lagi melayan mereka yang mahukan nilai nilai atau budaya yang bukan British atau German, termasuk AlQaeda dan kongsi gelap, penjahat dan gangster diChinatown dinegara mereka. Britian dilapurkan telah mula mengejar pelajar dan pelancong yang tinggal berlebihan (over-staying) dan berkerja tanpa izin direstoran-restoran Cina disana. Kaitan isu multiculturalism dengan tujuan SSS adalah nyata – Dong Zong tidak boleh majukan nilai nilai yang tidak berupa “keMalaysiaan”, yang bertentangan dengan Perlembagaan negara seperti Perkara 152 berkenaan Bahasa Kebangsaan.
Tujuan SSS yang ulung ialah melahirkan suatu Bangsa Malaysia yang kukuh dan bersepadu demi kepentingan keharmonian dan keamanan yang berpanjangan selama lamanya. Maka sistem persekolahan di peringkat rendah adalah satu daripada caranya. Emak bapak dll yang “hardcore” tidak akan dapat “diundang untuk menyertai kempen SSS” walau dengan apa cara sekali pun. Yang ditujukan adalah mereka yang ditengah tengah diantara “hardcore” dan yang menyokong. Sebagaimana telah diterangkan diatas, cara caranya berbeza. Yang mana boleh berkesan boleh dibincangkan. Sama ada cara diplomatik pujuk memujuk, penerangan secara formal seperti dilakukan Kerajaan, sindir menyindir dan sebagainya.
Ingatlah bahawa pendapat sentiasa berbeza diantara maanusia. Namun demikian, silalah keluarkan hujah hujah, yang sepatutnya disokong dengan butir butir lanjut, data berkenaan dan sepertinya. Dimana mana didunia, maanusia cuba menggunakan bahasa yang sesuai untuk berhubung, bagi mendapatkan pihak lain faham, termasuk menggunakan “bahasa cincai”. Silalah sebutkan pakar pakar dan butiran lanjutnya yang mengatakan sebaliknya.
Akhir kata, perlu kita lihat kapada tujuan dan isi kandongan dan mustahaknya “substance over form”. Bak kata pepatah Inggeris, “Don’t miss the bush for the trees”. Diharap jangan anda pulak mengatakan saya perlu keluarkan pepatah Melayu sahaja disini.
Maju.
Alahai si Adam oi, tak habis2 nak kutok Melayu. Engkau ni si Melayu Sesat tipikal ... hidong tak mancong, pipi tersorong-sorong ... takda jati diri; no self-pride; kalu buat DNA-test, lebih ke Sakai dari Melayu; kutok negara sendiri; bangsa sendiri; bahasa sendiri ... tapi biasiswa lu tibai kaw-kaw, diskaun rumah 5-10% lu pakai, semua peruntukan khas utk Melayu lu sapu licin.
Perut dah boncit, muka coklat dah tembam, ada kerja, semua prasarana hidop ada sebab engkau nasib baik beranak jadi "Melayu" TAPI engkau menyalak kutok Melayu supaya di terima oleh si sepet yg engkau sanjungi.
Parasit macam engkau ni Adam kalu aku jumpa di tengah jalan memang aku terajang cukup2. Engkau ni lah jenis Melayu Liberal yg jilat bontot si sepet dan di gunakan oleh si sepet utk timbulkan masalah dlm negara.
Oi sedarlah sikit bahalol, di belakang engkau si sepet panggil orang macam ko ni Malai Kui ... spesis terkutuk di mata mereka kerana sanggup membelot bangsa sendiri. Hahaha, Adam@Malai Kui, si pencacai taik sepet.
At 4.10am, Adam said – “ok wil sambung later. friend at front door....”
Uh? What are you, a hooker?
Anyway, Adam Boy, what the %$&# is your point?
Why are you bitchin' 'bout BTN here? Those people sodomized your ebony ass that bad uh? Ouchhhh! You just have to bitch 'bout it uh?
The BTN aint nothin', bitch, compared to the Commie-inspired anti-Malay, anti-Raja, anti-Negara propaganda puked at DAP cadre training camps. In their eyes, you Adam Boy is just a little brown kutu that sucks resources dry.
You can condemn the BTN and belittle the Malays all your life boy, but in the eyes of the DAP bastards, you're nothin' but a little brown parasitic kutu.
Get a life asshole!
- ex-Malay DAP Puppet -
Adam,
How come you know msleepyhead and I “make a cute couple” and how come “a little dysfunctional”? You don’t know whether we have “functioned” together or not, do you? You even talk about our “love-hate relationships” when msleepyhead has not even responded to questions on her/his gender raised in the past before you came into the pictue in this blog!
If she is a he, one thing I can assure you is that I’m not the Anwar Sodomy II kind, though I also attended a boarding school like he did! But I heard you MRSM hostel fellows also got the “you do I do” kind, correct? Be careful if you attend the Sodomy II Trial, Adam, coz if you do, it tells your inclination! And this is not a “scare tactic”, brader!
Telling the story of BTN won't get you bashed, brader, but giving your personal view like “they started to implement scare tactics” might.
Eisheman, the Government going to spend scores of even hundreds of thousand Ringgit on you, surely they have the right to try and make sure you are not the kind who’ll bite the hand that finances you. Give Pakatan Rakyat the chance, they’ll try to make sure such fellows praise them all the time, if DAP, even get them praise Sun Yat Sen, as if no Malaysian of stature can be praised.
You yourself pointed out your friend “got accepted into Cambridge, but declined that to go to Imperial (even smart people make wrong decisions :) !).” So, any guarantee that she would not make the wrong decision again and perhaps hate fellow Malays later? Especially when she doesn’t even know the definition of a Malay.
And what’s wrong about asking scholarship holders to know pertinent aspects of the Constitution? Those who don’t know must get to know and respect the Constitution like the nons, and not regard your citizenship of the country willy nally.
You all should read that book, “Tamadun Alam Melayu” published by the Historical Society of Malaysia that Dot has been writing here and there, la. That will give you the full history of the 350 million Family of Malays or Rumpun Melayu, stretching to Madagascar, South Africa, Australia, NZ, the Polynesian Islands up to Hawai.
I read some one wrote about claiming Hawai from US some day and refusing PAS Nik Aziz visas to visit there because he also does not know what a Malay is! Read Jebat Must Die blog where he retorted to Tun Dr Mahathir’s criticism of him by saying he didn’t ask to be born a Malay. That mengarut old man saying “Tuhan pun mencarut”.
Or just google the Constititution of Malaysia and read up the definition of Malays under the Constitution. Don’t you think it is so unthinkably malu not to know what is a Malay? Where to put muka like that? And when somebody tries to explain, apasal mahu resent? You mean to say the Chinese and the Indians want to call themselves only Malaysians and erase their racial origin, ha?
True, we want a united and cohesive Bangsa Malaysia but it does not mean abandoning one’s Malay roots. That book would tell you the Malays have been here in the Malay Archipelago or Gugusan Pulau Pulau Melayu, which includes Malaysia, for 5,000 over years and the Bangsa Malaysia should have Malay characteristics at its core. Otherwise what, a hotpotch of rojak or bubur lambuk? Even bubur lambuk has a basic ingredient.
Aku.
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My dear Adam, knowing your roots or what is a Malay does not mean “going into politics”, man. It’s just plain and simple common knowledge and common interest among Malays, especially those at University level – and your friend has a Master’s degree at that! What a shame!
And what “maki hamun” are you talking about when the Officer asked, "Apa ni? Definisi Melayu pun tak tau. Memalukan. Kamu semua tahu tak, orang Cina dan India semua tahu apa itu definisi Melayu.” Don’t you think a Master’s degree holder deserves that? Not an 18-19 year old going as an undergraduate, mind you. She already has TWO DEGREES, man.
And what “scare tactics” is that, old boy? I even doubt the last sentence of your quote there because it doesn’t sound consistent with the first sentence praising them as “bijak pandai”. And pointing out, “mungkin ramai antara korang akan dapat biasiswa walaupun kamu bukan Melayu”. Any tape of the “scare tactics”, Adam? Isn’t it possible that your friend misheard or misinterpreted the Officer? Remember, you said she made a mistake of her whole life in not choosing Cambridge University when offered a place there.
And you didn’t hear anything ontoward when you attended the BTN course, did you? So why put out what another attendee’s “cerita” when she herself is not free from serious mistakes? You going for the sensational value, ha? Come on, la, kawan, you have a degree, learn to be responsible, la. Be constructive when commenting, like I told my “lover-hater” msleepyhead. Unless you are DAP or DAP-ish. Find anything and wallop left, right and centre, although they also commit the same mistakes as those they hantam at – corruption, cronyism, nepotism and all.
By all means “sambung later”, brader. I’ll be watching you. And it’s not a threat or “scare tactic”, man. I’m not Big Brother on the wall – if you know what it means. It refers to Lee Kuan Yew’s iron hand rule in Singapore where they have a system of spies everywhere, including microphones or minicameras on your bedroom wall, and you suddenly get transferred out to some God forsaken job or shown the door and lose your job for saying things against the Spore government.
You better thank your lucky star being born and are working in Malaysia which does not use that system and where BTN only tries to protect the interests of the rakyat, for example, ensuring the money spent on scholarship holders will not be for producing graduates who don’t even know the Constitution of the country. They are in the business of inculcating a sense of loyalty and patriotism to the country, m’boy.
And be conscious of your roots, my friend, and of the dire situation your kind has been all these past years in their own country, largely due to British colonization which gave only 4 years of education in the kampongs. Otherwise other Lee Kuan Yews would manipulate the situation and another angry but silly Tengku A Rahman would give away another piece of this country called Malaysia.
I hope those who now have university education would not try to be liberal and end up being pseudo liberal or pseudo intellectual. A person is not liberal or intellectual if he or she is not broad minded. And they are not broad minded if they do not see the need for leveling the playing field in this country.
As has been said before, there needs to be a level playing field for the emergence of truly united and cohesive Bangsa Malaysia.
Aku.
I'd like to relate my experience of attending a BTN course. I am a PhD student at a Scottish university. Just like Adam's friend, I am also sponsored by Malaysian government and was required to attend the BTN course before I flew off.
Prior to attending the course, I had read many nasty things about it - stuff similar to what Adam mentioned - so I came mentally prepared to brace the racism, "brainwashing" and so on.
But guess what folks, none of that ever happened in that course. Discussions were civil and intellectual, befitting the mental capacities of the 100 or so attendants - most are academicians from widely diverse fields, some are medical doctors - all of whom were about to undergo years of intense postgraduate studies. Debates and disagreements were allowed, and many of them being seasoned lecturers actually stood up to voice their views. I didn't see any of those "scare tactics" which Adam mentioned.
The stuff they teach at BTN courses nationwide are really nothing new if you had not slept throughout your SPM History lessons. What "brainwashing"? Go check the modules out yourself at BTN website here (click KURSUS). Pretty basic stuff on what Malaysia is about I'd say, so I fail to see why some people make a fuss out of it.
The way I see it is, the Malaysian Government has been kind enough to award me a scholarship. That's your tax money, ladies and gents. In return, I do not mind being asked to attend a 3-day course on Government's aspirations. Whatever political stance I hold are my personal views, and I will not let them influence how I perform my professional duties as required by the Government of the day.
@Aku,
I don't see how gender issues has anything to do with the conversations here.
Since all of us abide by the Constitution, unless the naming of private buildings/museums/memorials etc with foreign names/figures is prohibited by the Constitution, the Sun Yat Sen issue in a non-issue isn't it?
And get your facts right, if you had bothered to read the links I provided previously, you would have known that the Penang Philomatic Union (a building more than a 100 years old) was renovated in 2002 to house the Sun Yat-Sen Memorial Centre. And the Penang Sun Yat Sen Centre is a specialty museum housed in the Penang Philomatic Union, also known as the Sun Yat Sen Memorial Hall. The centre was officially opened by the Minister in the Prime Minister's Department and former Chief Minister of Penang, Tan Sri Dr Koh Tsu Koon on 21 November, 2010.
Looking at the historical timeline, where does LGE come in? Can you please provide proof that LGE has a hand in the naming of any building or even stall in Penang after Sun Yat Sen? You konfius LKE dengan KTK kot? Dua-dua pun mata sepet, dua-dua pakai spec!
Let us all abide by the Constitution shall we. If there need be measures to test the real rakyats from the kutu/parasites, I'm all for it.
Maju,
Terima kasih untuk komen dan hujah-hujah kamu. Saya rasa kita bersetuju untuk berbeza pendapat kali ini. Blog SSS pada awalnya memaparkan artikel yang lebih berkualiti pada pendapat saya, tetapi akhir-akhir ini ianya berlainan sekali. Saya cuma khuathir golongan sasaran, mereka yang bukan penyokong sekolah vernakular teras/hardcore, akan tersalah anggap sindiran yang berbau perkauman ini. Mungkin saudara betul mengenai isu ini. Matlamat menghalalkan cara.
wtf is wrong with people these days.
encik Ismail Adamaeh, kau nak one on one ngan aku ke? cakap memang sedap, awesome nak arwah ajak bertumbuk. jom ah. anytime bitch. btw, i also know how to use a shotgun with precision, an up and under beretta, but i'll put that aside and fist pump your punching bag face to a pulp if you want. ajak online memang la brani, blakang keyboard, jom aa let's get it on.
weih ex DAP, aku pengundi UMNO dan BN. kau ni bangang tahap dewa tak faham cite orang. i said it was a story. that's it. take it as it is la. and i haven't even finished the fucking story and my conclusion. idiot.
aku, i'll have to read your entry first before commenting.
Adam
Bravo, bomoh khatan! I take off my hat to you. Bloody good show for standing up and saying it out, old chap.
I feel like hugging you and shaking your hand umpteen times. Much more than I want to do to my "lover-hater" msleepyhead, or not-so-smart Adam, for that matter.
See, you two fellas. There's a first hand witness, not a second-hand story telling that Adam is, or an agent provocateur that sleepyhead has been.
And that's a smart PhD doctor-to-be. He does not mix his personal sentiments, which he said he keeps private, with political views on the the powers that be, nor bite the hand that pushes him up another notch in his academic qualifications.
That, of course, separates the men from the boys, or the PhD candidate at a Scottish University from the one who chose Imperial College(?) instead of Cambridge University.
Grow up, Adam. Mix more with the responsible guys, read more of the really "educational" subjects, listen more to the constructive criticisms.
Am awaiting your "sambung cerita" and hoping it'll be responsible in content, constructive in presentation and cognitive of your roots in sentiments.
And best of luck to you, bomoh khatan. I think the authorities will not have a problem in identifying you and I think they should have no hesitation in giving you a position of high responsibility upon your return. And do join in the discussions here when free in the meanwhile.
Aku.
msleepyhead,
A quick one -
1. About Sun Yat Sen, it involves a 3rd party. I can choose to read it at my convenience. Meanwhile I may stick to what I read about it somewhere. You wanna convince me otherwise, you write it out here, not make me read there and there.
2. But about proving your loyalty and patriotism, it's between you and me. I maintain BTN wants to inculcate loyalty and patriotism, you implied BTN has something to hide, I challenged you to list down proofs of your loyalty and patriotism, you didn't even bother doing so. Do you have anything to hide or are you unsure of the proofs of your own loyalty and patriotism? Or you say it has nothing to do with this and that? I don't even see the "logic" of your not giving the list.
3. You should be telling the DAP and the DAP-ish fellows to get their facts right on a host of things e.g BTN courses, causes and events of May 13, MINDEF's defence purchases and all. In fact, you should even get your facts on BTN courses correct before implying they have something to hide.
4. My writing about Lim Guan Eng and Sun Yat Sen is an example of where DAP goons simply blast away with what they come across, be it military documents purportedly marked Confidential etc or Dr Kua Ka Song's deliberate angling of his book on May 13 to exonerate DAP from blame, some DAP blokes even claim Tun Razak caused 13 May. Ridiculous. Rubbish fellows. Me? I'm a nobody, Ka Song (or whatever his name is) is supposed to be a PhD and an MP (still is?).
Aku.
Aku, I have first hand experience of the BTN. I was the 'penghulu' of the BTN as well, selected by my peers and I gave a speech at the end of the BTN session. I am not anti-Malay, and if you would please let me continue my story before jumping to conclusions that would be nice.
I don't understand how people equate criticism towards the BTN as being anti-Malay. If I'm saying things like abolish Malay rights, or Melayu bodoh etc, yes that would be anti-Malay and racist, which is not what I'm saying. Nonetheless, the 'sambung cerita' part is below:
So anyways, I went to BTN a long time ago. Many years before Ms Z or Mr Bomoh, and I noticed that the 'syllabus' of the BTN differed from when I was there and how it is now.
When I went to BTN, it was a few years after the Asian financial crisis and it was also the time when Anwar Ibrahim was rampaging the streets like a lunatic. Most of the issues that were discussed were civil just like how Mr. Bomoh described it. But they were more about current issues on how to not go protesting when we were overseas, or join the opposition party rallies.
The main speech was more about how we owe so much to Dr.M for saving us during the financial crisis. The speech also told us that we should be wary of Singapore and other Western countries that tried to destroy our country during the financial crisis. Apparently, the guy said that George Soros called Dr.M and said "I'll see you at six". (Meaning he wanted the US dollar to be six to one of the Malaysian ringgit).
During the feedback session, my peers, time tu masih budak ingusan kot, wanted to know when BN would implement hudud. Siap ada a few here and there pakai ketayap bentuk pas lagi during that session. Talk about digressing from the real story.
Now, from what I heard from Ms Z is that our BTN program is more focused on the 'Malay rights' issue. I'm not even a bit against the Malay rights, but come the f*ck on, dividing the women to who has children and who does not? Then telling them that their children might not get scholarships? It's all real, but that is a scare tactic if I know one.
Adam
ps: I hate this little box. It's so hard (that's what she said) to write long comments on it.
Folks, the real, crude, low-class Adam finally jumped out of his imitation Polo shirt and Ah Keong-warehouse-sale branded-wannabe pants:-
"... kau nak one on one ngan aku ke? cakap memang sedap, awesome nak arwah ajak bertumbuk. jom ah. ... ajak online memang la brani, blakang keyboard, jom aa let's get it on ... kau ni bangang tahap dewa tak faham cite orang."
Ha ha ..... you may take si Adam out of the hutan, but you cannot take the hutan out of si Adam.
Hallo Adam si kemetot, engkau tak payah tunjok macho sini lah bahalol. Engkau belagak online je lebih. Mengaku pandai lah, aktif lah, rajin lah, si sepet puji lah .... dan skrng ngaku jadi penghulu BTN pulakdah!
Engkau tak sedar ke orang dah muak baca tulisan angkot bakul sendiri engkau ni?
Tak habis2 puji diri.
I've never met a freak like this folks.
Engkau ni mengidap satu penyakit jiwa spara-kebudakkan di mana engkau perlu positive reinforcement and attention setiap masa utk "cover" inferiority complex engkau yg terlalu mendalam dan tegar.
Dah la tu si kemetot. Nah 10 sen, pergi main jauh2!
ismail adameah.
"Perut dah boncit, muka coklat dah tembam....di terima oleh si sepet yg engkau sanjungi."
"alu aku jumpa di tengah jalan memang aku terajang cukup2."
your words not mine. don't talk about perangai ghetto with me when you were the one who started it.
wtf does it matter how much i talk about myself anyways? do you even know who the fuck i am? can you google me out? do you know me on facebook? tak guna semua tu. cause you can't attach what i've said here to the person that i am. if you don't like what i write, dah muak, usahla baca bang. perangai rempit sial mamat sekor ni.
i don't have polo shirts just so you know. that's a waste of money. i'd rather save money on electronics. but even if i did, i'd get them original but cheap in the outlets, 30 bucks. you nak kirim satu? i could get you one for a cheap price. tapi 10 sen mana cukup.
btw, i'm six feet one inches tall dude. unless you're taller jangan panggil aku kemetot ok. the probability of me being taller than you is pretty high. talk shit but dunno shit, that's what happens. main hentam saja budak ni. mulut nak kena cili.
Adam
Adam,
Your problem may be one of presentation. Take your “ps”, for example : “I hate this little box. It's so hard (that's what she said) to write long comments on it.” The “little box” came out of the blue, it makes readers wonder what the hell it is. You could have said “commenting box”. It usually does not matter, but when you are saying disagreeable things, it does add to the bother readers have already formed in their minds of the subject matter you raised.
Then you said it’s so hard .. “she said”. Readers wonder how come you are the one hating the little box but she is the one saying so hard. It bothers readers some more there. You did not put an exclamation mark there to suggest you meant a hard-on. People like me try to lighten the bother by telling myself so and that that you probably meant getting a hard-on when with her in a little box! Don’t blame me, Adam. I take the trouble to help identify possible problem areas for the sake of better communication and more pleasant disposition, as well as reception, by readers when reading your comments.
On your difficulty in writing long comments in the little box, one little tip from one of those who likes to write long comments – copy the comment you wanna address on to Word, type your comment there, then copy it into the little box, press the button and presto, KijangMas will have it however long it may be. Break it into 2 or 3 if exceeding the prescribed length.
Ditto, possible presentation problem when conveying your subject matter. You not only give the impression of being anti-Malay but of kacang lupakan kulit, even of being pengkhianat Melayu yang patut disula ditepi pantai Malacca Sultanate style. At times, it even crossed my mind that you are not a Malay, but a non masquerading as a Malay, trying to confuse issues or drive a wedge among the Malays – there are quite a few of those despicable Macchivelian frankensteiners in blogosphere.
You see, the sepet don’t like it that more and more Malays are being educated and more are becoming vocal, complaining against those ungrateful ones who were stateless all the while under British rule, got citizenship right at Merdeka, keep asking for more, more and more. The polite and non-confrontational Malays vent their frustration at the unfair bloody British colonialist treatment of their kind compared to the Chinese during the 80 years of fu..ing colonial rule. It has been pointed out many times that the British wanted the Malays to remain as rice farmers and fishermen (“to look after the food production of the country”, said the bastards), giving the Chinese the tongkat by way of mining and rubber land, licenses of all sorts, assisting and encouraging them in business and producing raw materials to feed the factories in England at that time and wanting them to be the market for their manufactured goods.
It ended up the Malays being left so far behind educationally and economically. Imagine only 4 years of primary school in the kampongs, schools far in between, Malay children had to walk barefoot up to 5 miles on desolate and lonely footpaths, hungry, tired and unable to concentrate upon reaching school those days – until well after independence. The Chinese had not only both primary and secondary schools, but also English schools (passport to success those days) in the towns.
Aku.
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So, those Malays who have read and visualized all the above, now seeing the encroachment on Malay rights and privileges, the questioning of the Special Position of the Malays, the nons laughing at the Malays now “using the tongkat” but not admitting their use of the British tongkat, and complaining the Malays being so slow to achieve the 30% equity target, they get fired up.
And they go ballistic finding you with a Malay name also appearing to be complaining, and seeing other so-called liberal but actually pseudo-liberal Malays talking of not minding kesama rataan without due regard to the Malay Special Position and the current Malay educational and economic predicament. When even in the US President Obama has a Health Care Plan to help the Blacks, Hispanics and Asians who are mostly poor. When in Malaysia there is Article 153 on the Special Position entrenched in the Costitution.
Those talking about kesama rataan, like the DAP and their so-called Malaysian Malaysia slogan that was picked up from Lee Kuan Yew when the bloke was so-called “kicked out of Malaysia”, simply do not acknowledge the Malay and Bumi Special Position. In fact, the seditious and subversive DAP once had an election manifesto of wanting to get rid of the Malay Special Position (read the Panehmiang blog).
Think about all those and you’d understand “how people equate criticism towards the BTN as being anti-Malay”. It’s the bloody DAP who started the anti-BTN campaign and many Malays utterly dislike the DAP. Anything DAP is no good, anti-BTN is associated with DAP, and if you sound anti-BTN, you are appear no good to many people.
You don’t have to be saying “abolish Malay rights, or Melayu bodoh etc” to be touching on their sensitivities. They are passionate about the predicament of their kind and of the way their country is going. So, you need to be concerned about your presentation, old boy. And it’s not a “scare tactic”, it’s honest-to-goodness free advice, and I’m not a member of any political party, I can assure you.
On BTN’s advice for scholarship holders not go protesting etc when overseas, I have covered it in my earlier comment and Bomoh khatan has pointed out BTN trying to ensure the rakyat’s tax money used to finance their studies is well spent.
Btw, Bomoh khatan, I like the blogging name you chose. When you do the khatan thing, you may do the Chinese Emperors’ eunuch style on those pengkhianat bangsa and pengkhianat negara!
Aku.
msleepyhead,
Bukan "Matlamat menghalalkan cara".
Perlembagaan negara menghalalkannya.
Di Perang Dunia Kedua, bom atom pun jadi halal. Di masa tidak perang, tindakan CIA, MI6 dan sebagainya pun nampaknya halal didunia, dimana jika CIA tendang keluar pengintip Russia, Russia bertindak balas serupa cara. Tindakan mengintip, menyokong pembangkang, membatu api, memasak pahat, menyokong pengganas, malahan menyeludupkan bantuan wang dan senjata, dilakukan kesemua negara Ahli Bangsa Bangsa Bersatu yang ada tujuan tersembunyi dan mampu melakukannya secara senyap.
Perlembagaan Bangsa Bangsa Bersatu tidak menyebut dengan terang berkenaan denganya. Tetapi perkara perang yang disebut dengan terang pun, "The Coalition of the Willing" gunakan helah "Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)" untuk menyerang Iraq dan mencapai tujuan mereka. Walau pun hingga sekarang tidak ada WMD dijumpai.
Walau bagaimana pun, tidak ada so'al menyerang di laman citra Kempen SSS. Penerangan, ajakan dan pujukan digunakan. Paling tinggi pun, hanya sindiran dan kutukan sahaja dengan tujuan menyampaikan pesanan pesanan.
Maju.
Aku,
I admit my presentation is a little off while commenting here, judging from all the people that keep on bashing me. I don't really mind. Even if I were to write immaculately there are still people who would misinterpret. It happens when people have differing opinions or views.
It's kind of funny when people jump into conclusions. Some people are so deluded with generalizations that they fail to realize that they might have gotten it wrong. For instance, when people accuse me of not being Malay, that I support the opposition, that I'm liberal (I'm actually very conservative), that I read Malaysia Kini and the like (Never gone to those websites before).
We are online so there's not that much info about me besides just my words. I don't mind having conversations with people who reason out such as yourself. The Ismail Adameahs and ex DAP people who jump to conclusions and write with anger laden words, kurang ajarness and might I add with stupidity I won't layan anymore. It's easier to ignore these likes.
Could you explain what have I written that makes me seem like a pengkhianat Melayu or kacang lupakan kulit? I want clarification on that matter.
OK back to the topic. When my friend didn't know what a Malay was, do you really think that she is at fault? What do you say to such an open ended question like that if you've never heard it before? I seriously wouldn't know besides saying that I am fluent in BM. Senang cite, I'd just say I'm Malay. That's it. Faham-faham sendirila. It's like someone asking you why 1 + 1 is 2. You don't clarify it. You just say it's 2. There's no need for an explanation for that.
I'm with you on Malaysian students who are sponsored by the government to not go protesting while overseas. I had a huge argument with someone personally who did go to those protests. The argument didn't end well - with me saying things like "that's why you have to repeat another year" and her being like "that hurt". Nevertheless as a student you have to be focused and such unwarranted distractions have to be placed aside.
You see, I disagree with you on how the BTN officer told Ms Z that we should champion the Malay rights. It's not an honest advice to me. I see it as a scare tactic, though we want the same goal. Why do you have to bring their kids into it? Segregating them between sape yang ada anak and sape yang takde? It's well thought out I'll admit, but that's a little over the border for me.
I pretty much hate DAP. Abhor. Loathe would be a better word. I associate them with the racial riot back then. Just by looking at the giant broom picture is enough for me to remind myself why that party should burn to the ground.
http://jebatmustdie.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/13-may-1969-analysis-by-jmd.pdf
Adam
Salam Aku,
Thank you for your compliments. But really, I don’t think I deserve any of those because I am just fulfilling what is expected out of me or any other person who have made a promise in a signed contract. I acknowledge that my scholarship is an ‘amanah’ entrusted by the Rakyat, and that I am obliged make the most out of this investment.
I’ve been a frequent reader of DN since its inception, which closely coincides with the time I started my study in freezing Scotland. I’ve not joined in the discussions before because I have zero or minimal knowledge on the topics discussed here. I try not to talk about things I don’t know much about - so I adopted the attitude of shut up, read and learn. But when BTN was mentioned here with unsubstantiated nasty allegations, I know I have to say something based on my recent experience going through the course.
I have learned a lot about patriotism and loyalty from the prolific writings of KijangMas, Maju, Dot, yourself and many others. And currently being overseas myself, I can really appreciate the dominant idea expressed in these writings, which is about love for one’s own country. In addition, I’m able to witness first-hand the fallacies propagated by certain quarters in Malaysia on how things are in Western countries. As an example, there’s no such thing as multiculturalism, and David Cameron has recently released blistering attacks on the idea. My Pakistani landlady speaks in heavily accented Scottish English; her children go to an English school (a Satu Sekolah Untuk Semua kind of thing, ‘coz there’s no Pakistani/Indian/Czech/Chinese school here); and they speak English with their friends and families at home or in the pubs; and they’d put on the kilt cheering at a Scottish football match. I believe Malaysia should adopt a similar approach in building a cohesive nation.
This Adam fellow has done it again.
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'i'd rather save money on electronics .. i'd get them original but cheap in the outlets, 30 bucks. you nak kirim satu? i could get you one for a cheap price.'
A 30 buck gadget? What is it Adam, a dildo? Come with straps? Are you the "passive partner" type? Yes? Yup, I figured so.
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'i'm six feet one inches tall .. the probability of me being taller than you is pretty high.'
Hmm, after all the self-praise, this dildo-loving faggot now brags (=lies) about his height. At six plus feet, we can confirm now you are NOT a Melayu. You are just another DKK of the Kimma variety, mengaku Melayu for the goodies, than hantam Melayu, BTN, etc. incessantly.
So what else you want to brag to us? The dimensions of your dick?
Sick DKK fella!
ADPR Consult Guy,
You have logic fail. Read the paragraph again. The 30 bucks was referring to the polo shirt, not electronic gadget. I don't know how much dildos cost, but if you say 30 bucks, can I assume it comes from your own personal experience? Although, you could probably get a second hand ipod shuffle for 30 bucks. Just saying.
Dah Allah jadikan aku tinggi nak buat cmane? Do you think that there are no tall Malays? I know a few Malays that are taller than me. I haven't lied on this forum. You can peruse every comment I've made and I can assure you non of them are lies. I am careful when I write here though - I check that you guys won't be able to figure out who I am by googling. It's easy when your name is universal like Adam.
I have no clue what DKK and Kimma mean. Care to clarify?
ADPR Consult Guy, have you ever been to a BTN session? I hentamed only the part where the BTN officer used scare tactics on a fellow Malay. That's it. I don't appreciate how it was done. You don't make a person have more jati diri or more patriotic by forcing it. You cultivate it, build it so that they want it themselves, not because someone else tells them to.
Adam
Staying in on a Saturday night like this, I'm going to spend some time talking with Adam and bomoh khatan.
Adam,
In answer to your question, your friend was at fault for not knowing what a Malay is and for not even trying to use her common sense and saying what she thought a Malay is - based on herself, her own family, etc. Surely she could have thought of 1-2 if not all the 3 aspects that form the criteria for determining a Malay under the Constitution - language, religion and adat or "Malay way of life". Remember what I said - she at that time already had a second or a Master's degree.
It's good that History will become a compulsory subject in schools beginning 2013. The Ministry of Education MUST include the history of the framing of the Constitution in the History syllabus. If that had been done not long after independence, the problems we now face regarding loyalty, patriotism and racial polarization wouldn't be as severe.
Instead, politicians kept changing the Education system, doing one in-house Education Report after another, trying to make a name for themselves and leave so-called legacies, sweeping the problem of vernacular schools under the carpet time and again. I have no love's lost with most politicians, I tell you.
I consider politicians as a necessary evil and the kind we have in Malaysia include those behaving like monkeys, shouting and yelling in Parliament until banned for 6 months etc, climbing the table in full official regalia, standing up and shouting at their opponents in the Perak State Legislative Assembly. And now Najib/ Muhyiddin does not even want to do an independent in-depth study to determine the strengths and weaknesses of the THREE education systems (SK, SKJC, SKJT) existing in the country as proposed by the Kempen SSS.
Good that you didn't join the demonstrations when studying overseas and focussed on your studies instead.
While not intending to be patronizing, I do want to say that the way you say controversial things may make people misread your intention and, on sensitive issues or matters they are passionate about, you might get clobbered by them. For example, your sentence
"I disagree with you on how the BTN officer told Ms Z that we should champion the Malay rights."
That can be misconstrued as you disagreeing that the BTN Officer telling Ms Z that we should champion Malay rights. Despite your use of the word "how". What you meant was
You "disagreed with (me) regarding the method the BTN Officer used when telling Ms Z to champion Malay rights".
This is semantics, the meaning of language, arrangement of words, intonation, relating to intent etc. I can't recall clearly but I think it was Professor Alfred Korzybski who wrote a long time ago that a lot of misunderstandings in the world, even wars, can be attributed to failure in semantics.
As I said, ordinarily, it does not matter much, but when the subjects raised are sensitive to the readers, they can cause problems. This is an example of what you have written that may make you get misconstrued or appear as a pengkhianat Melayu or kacang lupakan kulit. If you were misconstrued as disagreeing with BTN asking Malay scholarship holders to "champion the Malay cause", you would then appear at least as kacang lupakan kulit.
And you would be well advised to always remember that many in this Demi Negara community are sensitive on Malay issues and passionate about loyalty and patriotism to the country. We want the reduction of racial polarization and the creation of a truly united and cohesive Bangsa Malaysia thru SSS, civics awareness, respect for and adherence to the Constitution, etc.
Aku.
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Adam,
I think we should now move on from the subject of what you say is "scare tactic" and discuss a myriad of other issues and problems facing our country. For example on the rush to get to an Advanced, High-Income status, that can be at the expense of the Malays and Najib's reluctance to be loud on the NEP in the NEM.
Or, so as to be in topic, talk about other issues affecting loyalty and patriotism, a subject KijangMas spent time on in his article on cheering our national football team. Or about DAP and loyalty/ patriotism, as reflected by their policy pronouncements or frequent shouts, illegal demonstrations, respect for the Constitution, or lack thereof, etc.
Good to hear you abhor and loathe DAP and that you also associate them with the racial riots of 1969. We can even discuss how to burn them (borrowing your word) - figuratively speaking, of course.
Aku.
PS: Will talk to bomoh khatan in my next comment.
Salam bomoh khatan,
Good of you to remind scholarship holders of the promise of good behaviour in the contracts they signed with the Government.
Now, this is not a "scare tactic" as far as those interested in Government jobs are concerned, and I don't know if the information is correct, but I was told that those appointed to Government posts are vetted by the Police during their 1-2 years of "probationary period", and I suppose traces of non-compliance with the said contract would affect the "confirmation" of their appointment.
In your case, if you are serving in the public sector, in a full fledged or semi-government body and not yet confirmed in your appointment, you have nothing to fear because you are fully aware that "my scholarship is an ‘amanah’ entrusted by the Rakyat, and that I am obliged make the most out of this investment".
Like said to Adam, while not intending to be patronizing, I do wish to say that the rakyat and the authorities should appreciate the responsible stand you take on this matter and on helping to remind others of their responsibilities. This is the kind of contribution to society that I think all human beings should make. Another Professor I read during my student days (forgot the name now) wrote on the meaning of our existence on Earth during the short span of life relative to the existence of mankind, saying that we all should be thankful for all kinds of life facilities available to us when we were born. All those were contributed by those before us and we should reciprocate by doing something to make this world a better place for others after us. This we can do even if just by writing constructively in blogosphere.
How about it, brother? It's good to keep quiet when unsure of certain issues but there's a whole host of issues being discussed in DN and friendly blogs where we all can choose to participate in. Jebat Must Die and Ridhuan Tee are other blogs which always discuss issues in a positive manner. I guarantee you it'll keep one occupied and warm in the lounge or bedroom in freezing Scotland where one can feel the ears piercing cold blown by the wind even in the compound of Edinburgh Castle.
Where the intent is good, the views are positive, no fear of recrimination, brother. Of course we accept dissenting views, but where one dissents from mainstream views, one jolly well has to justify such views. The problem starts when one makes cursory accusations, pass snide remarks or 1-2 liners criticising the established order of things, like the DAP goons often do. And we need to rebut each and everytime we come across those. And the blokes at Malaysian Insider, Malaysiakini and Malaysia Today will not publish our rebuttals. So we do it in friendly blogs like in here.
Aku.
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bomoh khatan,
I feel that the Ministry of Information and the agencies responsible for spreading information like the national news agency Bernama and RTM (I'm not sure whether it's still called RTM as the politicians like to change names and naming things - hello msleepyhead - after Sun Yat Sen) are not doing enough to disseminate news on loyalty and patriotism. The Government must embark on a deliberate programme to inculcate loyalty and patriotism to those who claim to be Malaysians yet do not appear to respect the Constitution fully.
Instead, for votes, Najib jumps at the opportunity to delete the word race on application forms. The blog Darah Tuah, I think operated by a Senator and an ex-senior Government Officer, has written some time back about the legal problems that might entail if race is not stated in certain Government forms.
The example you gave of your Pakitani landlady fully adopting the local norms and values should be amplified and more of such examples would be a welcome contribution by you to this blog. Similarly, any and all developments pertaining to "multiculturalism is dead" in Britain. And anything there in support of SSS. The Dong Zong bloke espousing stupid, even subversive, so-called "multi-nations within a nation" may not read us but others do. Like many of us do - read MI, MK, MT but would not leave comments as they won't publish us, though KM publish them here.
Certainly Malaysia must have the immigrant races (cakap pendatang marah, tak tahu sejarah, selalu bida'ah) speak Malay at least with other than their own kind in public and private premises, and definitely must tutup aurat when entering mosques (unlike the brat DAP woman MP), join the crowd cheering our national teams playing football etc. Let's keep on writing about those whenever we can.
Best wishes to you and don't freeze - just clothe yourself warm and enjoy the breeze.
Aku.
Adam, two words, ..... get lost.
-ikhwan-
Uhh....msleepyhead seems to be flipped off by what appears to be continuous barrage of criticism from the SSS blog directly to the chinese.
Wonder why is that? Perhaps this pepatah could summed it up: Siapa makan Cili dialah yang terasa pedas!
Cool msleepyhead...Cool....
I do not see what is wrong with the particularly specific posting "Disana Malaysia Disini China". The article has try to make the Malaysian - chinese realize that deep down in their heart (without even them realizing it or pretend not to acknowledge them) that the primary identity of Malaysia is the Melayu.
And for that reason subconsciously, when they were told to present "Malaysian" at that International conference, they automatically chosen the Joget Melayu dance and wear Baju Melayu!
And for similar reason, the article try to extend the same logic to the Bahasa Kebangsaan. This is the indisputable Malaysian Identity and everybody should masters the language, be proud and use them in their everyday life.
I know that deep down in your rotten (nons) heart including you msleepyhead, you know this and you acknowledge them.....however the DAP propaganda that resulted in the anti Malay sentimens has become an obstacle for you people to practice and support our Bahasa Kebangsaan.
And by the way,
what is wrong with people asking your gender or religious?
I know it is insignificant to the topic being discussed.
But what is wrong in answering them as well???
Bukannya orang mintak duit suruh kau jawab!
Jawab je lah!!!!
Naif (Jan.29, 2011 11:07 PM) said:-
"Perhaps a solution would be to streamline the Malay language in the whole of the Malay archipelago so that it becomes the same whether you're in Sulawesi or in Perlis ... ultimately will lead to the commercialization of Bahasa Melayu."
Sure, and we will be talking the Indonesian way since they outnumber us 9 to 1.
We already have standardised spelling for Malay writing in Malaysia, Singapore, Brunei, Indonesia, the Patani Region and the Sulu Archipelago. The formal literature are essentially similar, with perhaps 10-15% of terms endemic to each nation/region indicative of their divergent colonial histories. Hence, Dutch-origin mobil is used by Indos against the Portuguese-origin kereta ("carreta" = cart) of our shores. No difference from the football vs soccer and lift vs elevator debate between British and American English. Having said that, I do notice increased mutilation and contamination of the Malay language in the Indo press, with wholesale Indonisation of English words, e.g., team, coalition and education becomes tim, koalisi and edukasi.
Regional patois is inevitable in any language. German speakers in northern Germany and Bavaria and Liechtenstein would find each other's dialects completely unintelligible. They cannot communicate unless they all speak standard Hochdeutsch.
In the states, a New Englander would find the lingo of the Louisianan bayou intriguing. Same reaction when an Alabaman talks to a guy from Noo Joisee.
Beyond agreeing to what is "standard" across the 5,500km wide Nusantara, I cannot imagine a Kelantanese farmer or a Kedahan goatherd or even a lingo-laden KL inner-city youth conversing in the "standard" Johor-Riau tone to his mates. They would be laughed at and duly declared a delusional freakzoid of the Adam kind. And we haven't even touched the Indonesians, not to mention the Patani Malays.
In any case, by personal experience, in the Malay Archipelago, you can speak nothing but standard Malay (no need the Indo twang) and would be reasonably understood from Aceh to Patani to Java to Brunei to Lombok to Maluku and beyond.
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Msleepyhead (Jan.31, 2011 1:42 PM) said:-
"... in the early days, the Malays were so accommodating of them - just like A Kadir Jasin mentioned that pigs from the neighbouring Chinese's wandered into his grandma's backyard, but it wasn't an issue back then. Only in the present day, when we are trying to build a Malaysian identity that we are all facing cultural identity problems."
Yes, wandering pigs wasn't a problem in Kadir Jasin's grandma's backyard because the old Cina Kampong Kedah (and the Siam Kampong as well) spoke, eat, dress and even look the same way as Kadir Jasin's extended family. The same thing today in Kelantan's Tumpat district and certain parts of Bachok district. The only noticeable difference betwen these assimilated budu and belacan-loving Chinese/Siamese and the Malays are their religion and propensity to makan babi.
In the typical Tumpat Siamese village setting, the little scruffy semi-feral babis are akin to dogs (their fellow najis creatures), scurryng around dumpsites near the ubiquitous old temples, ricefields and dusuns. No big deal.
But nowadays, the nons' quest for a separate existence - language, culture, food, mannerisms, even history - and refusal to budge or even compromise on basic nation-building matters such as SSS, not to mention new-found intolerance to azans and khutbahs and Jawi script, has turned the traditionally hospitable Malays into calculative, unwieldy creatures as well.
For better or for worst, the battle lines have been drawn. And Kadir Jasin's grandma's neighbour's babi sesats add up to the list of no nos in the ever-widening socio-cultural division of the Malays and the nons.
Under a miserable and dull Sunday morning weather in my area, I hope, with space granted here by KijangMas, to take a break from serious discussion, amuse myself, and hopefully, you all, too, folks. I feel like rambling a little, perhaps even be philosophical later on.
And pls don’t think I monopolise these columns because I’m sure KM would provide others acres of space in this blog, or in his sprawling fruit orchard where he from time to time takes a break fom the hustle and bustle of city life, whether in LA, SF, London, Paris, Hamburg, KL or wherever else he has offices.
Except that those Mat Salleh Celup or Orang Putih Bontot Hitam (OPBH) locals who don’t like the smell of durians I think are not welcome by him! My house maid, a Madurese Indonesian is one – strange woman! But my niece married an Englishman who on free week-ends machines the grass, builds a tree house for his daughter etc at my sister’s dusun durian. He doesn’t mind at all the durian smell; the fruit taste doesn’t attract him but does his daughter.
Have you heard about the fellow who talks a lot, guys? He died standing. I won’t tell you what stands, though. And as Adam would know, what is standing to some may not be so to others! And pls don’t say it’s lewd or offensive. Because, for anything to be offensive or criminal, there must be the intent, the act and the commission of the act (am not a loyar, know a few principles of law only).
And Anwar Sodomy II said in court he was measured, standing or not! And imagine, they wanted to insert some measuring instrument or whatever into his backside as well! The unprincipled, pengkhianat Bangsa fellow has spent years trying to prove he had no intent, there was no act and no commission of the act. Am awaiting his poor wife and daughter be called to testify that he was at a meeting with them at the material time he was accused of doing Saiful, like they said he was! That would be a bombshell in court (the testimony, not the girls, folks!) because it would mean the Police and the DPP are lying! Ada mungkin ke? Mana boleh.
Aku.
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Btw, there used to be a few Anwaristas (not necessarily females only) plugging the Anwari or pseudo-liberal line here, in Ridhuan Tee’s blog and elsewhere. Including one UM law lecturer who for some undeclared reason took the trouble to point out that the Constitution Article 153 does not mention Malay “rights”, only Malay “Special Position”.
WTF of a fellow and why the hell does he have to do that. Splitting hairs. I don’t mind it if he splits the standing hairs! Surely it’s an unheard of interpretation and unnecessary for him to do that. Another Pengkhianat Bangsa deserving the sula treatment.
He was not even a Constitutional Lawyer. Yet other, better qualified and much more experienced and respected, and genuine Constitutional Lawyers like Prof Shad Farushi (pardon my spelling) and Professor Abdul Aziz Bari of UIM never saw fit or found it necessary to interpret Article 153 in that demeaning and treacherous way.
The man has political inclinations of the opposite kind! (Anwar is opposite, reverse kind, as the Appeal Judge of Sodomy I noted in his written judgment, though allowed his appeal on “technical grounds”). The University And University Colleges Act should be applied on him. The UKM Vice Chancellor mentioned that Act when commenting on recent student campus elections behavior, reported in The Star online 1-2 days ago.
But that pseudo-liberal UM law lecturer was said to be working under a Department or Faculty head with whom he was alleged to have amourous relations and may therefore escape disciplinary action. I want to ask you all – 1. Can this chap be called liberal, or isn't he merely a pseudo-liberal, when he appears to be trying to weaken the interpretation of the law that his own kind hopes to rely on for assistance in getting the playing field leveled for them to compete in a fair manner? 2. Is he not a Pengkhianat Bangsa when he appears to be sabotaging the interest of his own kind? 3. Can this kind of people be loyal and patriotic to the country, when leveling the playing field is the premise for unity?
Feel free to say but be reminded to use the word “alleged” and “this kind of people” as the fellow has not been charged or proven to have breached the University And University Colleges Act. If nobody says anything, those will remain as rhetorical questions!
Aku.
(Typed in the morning but got distracted and posted much later. See the need for being one-track minded like the DAP blokes and the ultra kiasus! Now no time to write the philosophical stuff!)
Just a quick 'shoutout' to Aku for taking the time to write and explain his stance. Thought we have our differences, I fully adopt his views which echoes the others here for an 'independent in-depth study to determine the strengths and weaknesses of the THREE education systems (SK, SKJC, SKJT)', and ultimately the SSS.
And also for the personal side stories about durians and such.
I find this article -Ikuti jejak adik Wee Soo Yen of Dr RT's to be sincere. You can tell the guy writes from his heart, if only he would drop the juvenile name calling (ie ultrakiasu) I believe his writings would be taken more seriously by the Other Malaysians and people would judge him on his writings alone.
p/s- this sleepyhead is no fan of DAP too, and like Aku, I would like to convey my gratitude to KM for the one true democratic discussion space in the blogosphere.
Ini yang Adam kata "love-hate" relationship, kot. Bila msleepyhead cakap macam ni, aku naik sayang kpd dia pulak. Tapi aku takut dia lelaki. Sebab aku bukan jenis Anwarul bontoti. Dan aku takut kena tangkap khalwat di DN kalau dia pompuan! (Ni aku kena marah eja Melayu tak betul, ni).
Dan dia dah kata lelaki pompuan tak ada kena mengena dengan perbincangan kita. Ada, kena mengenanya, msleepyhead, ha. Kan KM cakap pasal loyalty and patriotism. Selalunya orang yang loyal dan ptriotik hormatkan sesama maanusia, terutamanya pompuan. Contohnya, kalau ada pompuan, lelaki kurang mencarut. Hanya sebut wtf, sh.t, blardy f..l dsbnya saja!
OKlah, kita balik kpd diskusi serius.
Nak tanya sedikit, msleepyhead - mengapa sensitif kapada perkataan "ultra kiasu" yang Dr Ridhuan Tee dll selalu gunakan diblognya? Saya difahami bahawa kiasu bermakna
tidak mahu ketinggalan, tidak mahu kalah.
Betul ke? Kalau betul apa salahnya. Tiap puak ada yang ultranya.
Atau ada makna lain ke? Kalau ada, tolong nyatakan sepenuhnya.
Atau anda guilty conscious ke? kiasu sama makna dengan chauvinis, rasis dsbnya ke?
Nampak MCA pun dah tiru taktik subersif dan rasis DAP. Bukan saja mahu ungkit Kedudukan Istimewa Melayu dan Bumiputera, juga mahukan sasaran ekuiti Bumpiputera dihapuskan. Mereka sokong resolusi Seminar mahukan begitu, membarankan Melayu hingga ada yang mahukan hak kerakyatan mereka juga dihapuskan.
Silalah beri penerangan, msleepyhead.
You there, Adam? The love-hate developing, you think? Ada chan ke aku? (Nak eja chance as can, pelik pulak. Chan pun pelik jugak, takut memanggil b/f msleepyhead! Ikut sajalah! The light mood is still around).
Aku.
All due respect to everyone in this blog, i think this Adam bashing is way out of line. If we can't have constructive criticism, what's the point of this blog?
I'm quite sure this adam guy is actually patriotic, and probably bordering on ultra-malay, and just trying to understand the cause we are all supporting. Didn't he explain umpteen times that he is loyal. All this bashing just drives people away.
Keep all blood pressures down, cause we need a bigger discussion, for now. I.e malay unity. Cos all of a sudden, the blog went all out to punish some 'curious' malays. shouldn't we take a gentle 'Nabi Muhammad' approach of explanation and nurture? We don't need any more inflammatory accusations. Just point out, other than shooting suggestions into the air, how else can we, as enlightened malays, unite more.
Can anybody suggest a good malay networking body, and how to approach it. How can we malays compete in a raging economy monopolised by chinks. There has to be a way. Why can't we sell the iphones and ipads instead.Or have our own low yat. Why can't we control the supply chain of cement, steel, pasir-mining, commodities, instead of losing to the nons competition. I'd say probably because we dream too much about our uthopian SSS, and uthopian 'malay dominance'. And in the process bash guys like Adam who sincerely wants to improve the malays. We need to act man. Wanna be the boss? Claim your right and put it into action. KM, since you claim to be in control of multiple businesses, why don't you teach us malay underlings how to do it.
Not everything about BTN is good. The objective is good, but the execution is poor. Why else has it failed to instil malay loyalty?
And no, i do not know this Adam guy.
Adzim
Yo "Adzim".
If you sound like Adam, you irritate like Adam, you insult like Adam, you write like Adam, you rub people wrongly like Adam ......... then you are Adam!
What a joke!
To ron jeremy jr,(i hope not the porn actor)
Well, sucks to be you then.
Cos i'm for malays too.
Because of fools like you, this blog becomes a joke...
Baru nak semangat melayu kuat, nak bersatu-padu, ada orang melayu kolot macam kau. Sedih brader. Kat tempat kerja aku, member2 aku semua pro melayu kuat. Kalau ada pesakit melayu, (yup, i'm a doctor) memang aku tolong lebih, asalkan dalam jangkauan undang2. Aku ziarah blog pro malay hari2. Aku bagi constructive comments, bukan apa, sayang bangsa la kata kan. Favourite aku JMD, rocky bru, DN, Gerakan-anti-PKR. Saga merah (tapi dah lama diorang tak keluar entry) dan terkini srikandi 7. TApi kekadang kenapa kita tak boleh terima teguran?
Aku jarang komen kat sini, tapi aku baca dn atleast seminggu 2 kali. Tapi bila ada orang macam kau, buat lawak bodoh, cakap tak pikir macam jakun, ni yang naik darah aku. Aku umur 40 tahun, kau berapa? Cakap respect sikit.
I hope i irritate the alikes of you too, fool!! buffoon!!
Adzim
Adzim,
I like you saying "All due respect to everyone in this blog", but I can't say the same of what you say.
I'm a self appointed arbitrator of sorts in this blog, making frequent and long comments, admittedly sometimes long winded to drive home my points. You appear to be one of those who deserve such long comments.
You see, I've said many times that many in this blog are passionate about loyalty and patriotism to this country and anyone saying things that smack of a lack of that, or make unclear statements that get misconstrued as that, tend to get a walloping.
You should have read my comments surrounding Adam's comments instead of jumping in here in defence of Adam. Defend by all means but if you have read and do not accept the counter-arguments to Adam's points, then you are like Adam. If, as Ron Jeremy, Jr said, you are Adam, then you deserve a double bashing for your intransigence or stubbornness.
We can disagree but here certain facts that simply can't be abused, like those clearly stated in the Constitution of the country.
Believe me as a long-timer here, that there have been many more members of the DN Community who have expressed their condemnation of so-called citizens with questionable loyalty and patriotism to this country but have been occupied with other things and have not come out this time. Adam may consider himself lucky that there are not so many bashing him out this time.
It's not at all "out of line" to hit out at disloyal and unpatriotic fellows. It may even be considered as patriotic to do so. Isn't that one proof of patriotism when one hits out unpatriotic others and tries to get them in line, to respect the Constitution, etc?
Yes, the operative word is "constructive criticism", my dear chap. But are Adam's and your comments "constructive"? Do know that the word "constructive" is where you say things that contribute to nation building and make suggestions towards that. Adam merely pointed out the experience of Miss Z in a negative way, no suggestion as to how BTN can improve their ways beyond the schoolboy hope that the teacher won't scold him for being naughty.
And making people read and understand the Constitution about, for example, what constitutes a Malay, can be by scolding. The woman deserves it because she is not the just past-school average student but already has two degrees. Didn't you read my comment where I wrote in capitals - TWO DEGREES? Are you so dumb as to say "what's the point of this blog?"
If you have read my comment to msleepyhead on proof of loyalty and patriotism (which she still has not replied), you won't be saying "I'm quite sure this adam guy is actually patriotic, and probably bordering on ultra-malay, and just trying to understand the cause we are all supporting". Come on, Adzmi, you SIMPLY CANNOT PROVE LOYALTY BY SAYING YOU ARE LOYAL "umpteen times" OR EVEN A THOUSAND TIMES. Have I said it loud enough this time?
LOYALTY AND PATRIOTISM HAS TO BE PROVEN BY DEEDS, NOT BY STATEMENTS, M'BOY.
And do know that "All this bashing" DOES NOT "drive people away". Since inception of this blog KijangMas has been writing about the need to get a strong, united and cohesive Bangsa Malaysia based on the Constitution of the country, and readers keep coming in, many leaving comments, despite the bashings.
And, for goodness sake, can't you see that he publishes all sorts of views, pro and against, including the rude ones that attract a whole lot of bashing, of course! Unlike the blokes at Malaysian Insider, Malaysiakini, Malaysia Today who talk about democracy but are the least democratic of all, not even publishing contra views. I'm one of the many who have experienced that and commented that in blogs, old chap.
Aku.
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Adzmi,
Agree, "Keep all blood pressures down, cause we need a bigger discussion, for now. I.e malay unity". But what "some 'curious' malays" are you talking about, man. Curious Malays would ask but not talk defensively about a fully adult and so-called highly educated Master's degree holder being taken to task for not knowing or even venturing an opinion on what a Malay is.
Don't you know that "the gentle 'Nabi Muhammad' approach" also includes going to war in the defence of the Islamic faith he wanted to spread? Did you not read of the Islamic Wars that made Islam reach Spain, even Eastern Europe, such that there are now Muslims in the Balkans, Ukraine and other parts of Russia?
Are we not "pointing out" how to unite the Malays when we, for example, bash out so-called Malay liberals who are in fact pseudo-liberals, by explaining that being liberal is being broad minded and that includes seeing the need for levelling the playing field for Malays to compete fairly in this country. That, since the vast majority of Malays want the levelling done, such pseudo-liberals should, if not realizing the need for it on their own accord, at least comply with the wishes of the majority.
I don't understand what you mean by "a good malay networking body" to be able to suggest one. But "How can we malays compete in a raging economy monopolised by chinks", I can suggest, like I have done in the past here and elsewhere.
The Chinese will not show us the way, help us or co-operate with us, in fact try to thwart our attempts, even MCA copy-cat DAP tactics anti-Malay and asked for the Bumi equity target be abolished. So, we need to depend on fellow Malays. Here are a few suggestions:
1. Get a PM like Tun Dr Mahathir (mind you, I don't agree with all that he did, and I opposed some)
2. Get Pernas, State Economic Development Corporations and such agencies to concentrate on building a fully Malay supply and distribution chain that you mention.
Remember FAMA and the complaints some time back of the so-called "killing of middlemen" you-know-who. Even Mahathir softened a bit, Najib simply melts with the preoccupation to win big at PRU13.
3. More corruption prosecutions. Send the corrupt blokes responsible for sabotaging the Malay progress to jail.
Aku.
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Adzmi,
Pernas and SEDCs can get to control "the supply chain of cement, steel, pasir-mining, commodities, instead of losing to the nons competition". But there was a lot of hanky panky and the prostitution of Pernas in the past such that the expected role in terms of establishing a Malay supply and distribution chain is no longer heard of.
And what "uthopian SSS, and uthopian 'malay dominance'" are you talking about, old boy? You are being negative by your very statement and choice of words. Do you know that utopian = ideally perfect and utopian also = unpractical? Check the dictionary when using big or uncommon words.
Najib has said "single-stream system of education or SSS will be implemented when the rakyat wants it" (not yet said how to determine that), and he wouldn't have said that if it's impractical, would he?
Good if Adam "sincerely wants to improve the malays", and I suggest he try to get his Master's degree friend understand what a Malay is, first.
What makes you think BTN has "failed to instil malay loyalty"? Do you know the number of people who appreciates BTN, including bomoh khatan above, and those who have become loyal due to BTN? You think the task of instilling loyalty rests only on BTN, or the Government for that matter?
Remember what US President J.F Kennedy said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". Wanna hear what a Malay like Hang Tuah said? "Aku mahu hidup seribu tahun lagi". And the Malays have lasted some 5,000 years now. Of course Hang Tuah didn't go to school, didn't know, even many of us don't know that it's much more than 2,000 years - the book "Tamadun Alam Melayu" saying that was published by the Historical Society of Malaysia only in 2009.
Enuf of my morning sermon, folks. Have a good day.
Aku.
-Ikhwan-
I have a strong urge to response to people like Adam and Adzim as well. However it appears that most of my to be points has been covered by "Aku".
No need for me to exacerbate the matters even more.
You both (Adam and Adzim) appears to try to be neutral and modest and claim to be the "Melayu" supporter however some of your comments appears to suggest the opposite.
Your comment hints sense of disbelieve and belittle of what most of us here are passionate about.
For example when Adzim said "the Utopian SSS" suggesting that this is some sort of "pipe dream"???
And "BTN has fail to instill loyalty to the Malays"???
I myself have been through BTN right before I flew to England for my further study. I found that most of the module as reasonable and has indeed I should say being successful in enlightening me of the issue of KENEGARAAN and PATRIOTISM.
Some minor of them (and I think is out of module) I think tend to be UMNO-politically motivated which I dont really agree.
Despite this shortfall, I honestly think that BTN is good and should be continued.
To Adam and Adzim,
Let me assure you that people like me, aku and the rest will always be here to response and refute to those "honest remark" of yours.
Regards
Part 1
Naif (Jan.29, 2011 11:07 PM) said:-
"Another solution ... is to ammend the constitution so that Bahasa MALAYSIA becomes the national language of the country. It'll become "our" language and not just specifically belonging to Malays."
Ok, can the "nons" in Australia suggest that English there be called "Australian Language" so that it belongs to not just the Anglos but to the ethnic Greeks, Italians, Turks, Vietnamese, Bengali, and the occasional Au Yeong Pak Kuan who migrated there from Kampar?
Boleh?
And lets call English the "American Language" and the "Kiwi Language" and "Jamaican Language" in the U.S., NZ and Jamaica respectively.
What about the U.K. itself? Why call their language "English" and not be sensitive to the feelings of the Scot, Welsh and Northern Irish? Shouldn't there be a "Bahasa Britain"?
What about German? Do we call it "Austrian Language" in Austria?
French how? We call it "Quebecois" in Canada's Francophone Quebec province?
And of course we haven't even touched on Spanish. What is Lionel Messi's native language? "Bahasa Argentina" or Spanish? What about Chileans, Uruguayans, Bolivians, Colombians, Cubans, Venezuelans, et al? Ada "Bahasa Colombia" ka?
What about Kaka? he speaks "Bahasa Brazil" or Portuguese?
Arabic how? Should they call it "Libyan Language" in Libya to appease the non-Arab Berbers and Tuaregs? And rename it "Iraqi Language" to embrace the Kurds and Turkmen? And each of the two dozen odd Arab nations should relabel Arabic as the Kuwaiti Language, Yemeni Language, Moroccan Language, etc?
Boleh ka?
Mana boleh.
See, we cannot just delete all references to Melayu just to cover the abject weaknesses of some identity-confused alienised nons who have utterly failed to integrate into the real Malaysian society beyond their little neo-Chinatown enclaves.
In the same logic, can we now forbid the term Chinese New Year and rename it Tahun Baru Bulan? Deepavali can be rechristened Perayaan Cahaya?
Boleh? Tak boleh? So buang "Melayu" boleh; tapi buang "Cina" tak boleh? Like this how?
Look, of course lah Bahasa Melayu is the language of the Malays ... and the lingua franca of a third of a billon people in the Nusantara. AND it is also the sole National and Official Language of this land called Malaysia. No logic disconnect there.
And it has been this way since the time Melayu seafarers (an eclectic collection of lanuns, traders and soldiers-of-fortune) landed on the shores of what later became "Tanah ... yeah Melayu" and colonised the river basins and mineral-rich hinterlands while the Semang, Senoi and Proto-Malay tribes relocated further inland.
Part 2
Anyway, what language was used by European traders and colonisers (from c.1500) in Tanah Melayu and the Nusantara when addressing the various Rajas, nobilities and the common folk?
Portuguese? Dutch? Tamil? Mandarin? Spanish? English?
Nope.
It is Bahasa Melayu all the way from Aceh to Betawi to Singgora to Sulu to Maluku. Without exception, European adventurers and colonialists in these parts were necessarily fluent in Bahasa Melayu to the extent of being successful merchants and covert players in palace intrigues and seduction of assorted anak rajas and dayangs of the Malay kingdoms dotting Nusantaran river basins.
M.G. de Eredia (Malacca, late 1500s); John Smith, Peter Floris, John Jourdain (Patani, early 1600s); Francis Light (Penang, mid-1700s); William Farquhar (Malacca/Singapore, early 1800s); Stamford Raffles (Singapore, early 1800s); James Meldrum (Johor, mid-1800s); Frank Swettenham (KL, late 1800s); and W.A. Graham, William Duff (Kelantan, early 1900s) are masters of Bahasa Melayu and Adat Melayu. Some even published pantuns and puisis.
That's why Malaysians must occasionally get off Facebook and go easy on the AFUNDI and Sehati Berdansa and Hongki gameshows and Tamil gangster movies and instead read and understand our history. Devour and relive the profound travellers' tales c.1400-early 1900s as meticulously documented by intrepid Portuguese, Dutch and English adventurers and seafarers to the Malay Archipelago.
Do the likes of HuaYong and the BTN-penghulu Adam know anything about the history of Tanah Melayu and the Nusantara? I'm not talking about Merdeka and Chin Peng lah dei; go further back, .... much much further back in time.
Adam, since you are the 6ft 7in self-proclaimed Super Duper Mr. "I'm not like the other lazy/stupid Malays," give me the name of Parameswara's first wife? And the "Siamese Viceroy" he allegedly slain before his flight out of Temasek was actually a Malay prince from which Malay kingdom?
HuaYong, which among these languages has the oldest written form: Javanese, Thai, Balinese, Khmer, Malay? What year was the earliest evidence of that script: 1402, 1678, 1286, 683? And who arrived first: the Malays in Tanah Melayu, the Thais in Thailand, the English in England?
Lu olang boleh jawab ... or even have a remote idea of the answers?
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Now, back to the original comment, don't ever think that "Melayu" is a convenient disposable element in some perverse political machination to sooth the social inadequacies of the nons and to sanitise their debilitating alienisation from the socio-cultural mainstream.
This BM-renaming idea is a reaction to the disease afflicting many nons known as acute chronic alienisationitiis (ACA). Instead of curing it via immersion in the mainstream language, culture and values, ACA sufferers stagger on in denial and blame exogenous factors, in this case declaring Bahasa Melayu as "not theirs" although it is the sole official language of the land of their citizenship. Anything "Melayu" are to be hated and disowned in the delusional little world of ACA sufferers.
Sadly, many history-illiterate, have-no-idea-where-their-moyang-came-from Melayus cheer these subversive moves as part and parcel of their phony pseudo-liberal persona deemed necessary to fit-in the confused Manglish-speaking crowd they so want to be part of.
Aku said:
1. The Chinese will not show us the way, help us or co-operate with us, in fact try to thwart our attempts, even MCA copy-cat DAP tactics anti-Malay and asked for the Bumi equity target be abolished. So, we need to depend on fellow Malays.
2. Pernas and SEDCs can get to control "the supply chain of cement, steel, pasir-mining, commodities, instead of losing to the nons competition". But there was a lot of hanky panky and the prostitution of Pernas in the past such that the expected role in terms of establishing a Malay supply and distribution chain is no longer heard of.
Yes, Pernas, SEDCs etc should doing the job as no Malay can even put up a hardware shop because all materials, right down to smallest nail, is distributed and controlled by Chinese.
Do you people know there are always 2 prices – one for Malays, another for the nons? No need to guess who gets lower price. Do you know how much sabotaj in the industri pembinaan, the genuine small and struggle Malay contractors? Price labels in hardware shops bole campak to faces of Ministry Enforcemen Officers lah.
Ini macam boleh level the play field ka? Boleh dapat unity ka? Boleh cakap loyalty and patriotic to Constitution ka? Dia orang tak hormat Article 153 but want to talk sama rata bole ka?
Sayong.
-ikhwan-
Just want to share some story here.
There used to be a link in the TalentCorp website showing news excerpt about the ongoing initiative to bring talents to Malaysia. Apparently the links has been removed. I am not sure why
Basically one of the link showed a Chinese citizen with his Malaysian-chinese wife whom appeared to be happy with glowing faces (Maybe that is just because of the photo finish touch up) because the application for their childrens to become MALAYSIAN CITIZEN has been granted.
I am so intrigue by this. With all the allegations that have been thrown by the NONS to the Malaysia and the Melayu, apparently this is not enough to deter some of them from wanting be a Malaysian Citizen! This led me to question the trueness of their allegation.
One of the readers in JMD has even describe that the treatment that they got in Malaysia by the Melayu as being - subjected to "ünthinkable discrimination"
I wonder why those Chinese couple in the first place, didnt want their children to become the citizen of the GREAT China but in fact apply for them to become the Malaysian citizen.
I thought China will become the great economic power??? If that is the case, then would it not be better to become their citizen???
Furthermore, I thought you people (NONS) has been subjected to unthinkable discrimination here, So why on earth would you people want your children to become this Tanah Melayu Citizen when in fact you have other clear choices???
In future, their children hopefully would not become the ungrateful NONS that we have nowadays.
I sincerely hope the immigration minister will be extra careful when handling application from this NONS species.
History (In fact we are living in it) has taught us something.
Janganlah seperti kata pepatah: "Pisang berbuah dua kali"
Hi Saudara Kijang Mas,
Honestly I don't know Parameswara's first wife's name. If that was taught in history, it would've been in form 1 up to form 3. It's not in the syllabus for form 4 (world history) and form 5 (Malaysian history). I could google and try to find out but that would be cheating. I'm sure many of the other Demi Negara readers here wouldn't remember his wife's name as well.
I don't know which kingdom he came from before he became the sultan of Melaka. I do know that he converted into Islam and that was one of the reasons why Malays converted back then.
If my memory serves me right, everytime there's a Sultan named Mahmud back in the Tanah Melayu, memang that Sultan would be useless.
Look, I'm not sure what history was taught during your generation, but my history syllabus might be different from yours to a large extent. Even the 1969 racial riot was explained in a very short paragraph when I studied SPM as if they wanted to avoid discussing it.
Adam
ikhwan,
This is conjecture on my part but since you are "intrigued" by the disappearance of the glowing faces on the TalentCorp website you wrote about, here goes:
You, like me, also express concern that the Home Minister, who is in charge of immigration matters, exercise good discretion. Maybe those fellows are not glowing faces any more. If he is a Chinese citizen with a Malaysian wife bearing the children in Malaysia, the children would have been Malaysian citizens. The fact that the children were not citizens, until apparently recently approved, suggests that they were born outside the country.
Permanent residence for foreign spouses of Malaysians has not been easy to get, impossible in many cases because of the ramifications of abuse, despite Home Minister and vote-hungry Hishamuddin announcing citizenship certificates to 60-70 year olds born here war time but not registered, etc.
Unless through corruption. And the bloody Immigration Director General was arrested for having a lot of cash on his person as well as in his house some time ago and his Deputy (damn the Immigration Dept, both DG and Deputy were crooks then) was charged in court fairly recently. My conjecture is that those smiling faces lost their smiles when those investigating the DG and Deputy blokes found the children to be the beneficiaries of the officials' crooked deeds and the approvals were rescinded. Poor children, bloody crooked officials!
Aku.
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ikhwan,
The nons in this country are extremely lucky for the treatment they get. Not anywhere else. In Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines, despite they adopting local names, speaking the local language, wearing clothes like the locals do, they are still spitted at behind their backs. I've personally seen it done in two of those countries.
Malaysia is heaven to them compared to other countries in the region, except Singapore where Lee Kuan Yew has imported more of them to make the nons the majority in an island state which stupid Tengku A Rahman gave away in a spate of temper when LKY became terribly mischievous when Singapore was in Malaysia 1963-65.
This is where we here become passionate in our feelings when the nons show no gratitude for their citizenship right, lack of respect for the Constitution, not living by the Constitution fully, demanding for more, more and more, on top of that MCA had aped the DAP blokes in calling for the Bumiputera equity target be abolished. Can you blame the Malays for reacting, asking their citizenship right be abolished as well?
The YDP Agong has just said in Parliament asking the people not to question what is stated in the Constitution, not to threaten harmony by questioning such things as the sovereignty of the Malay Rulers, the position of Islam as the religion of the Federation, the Special Position of the Malays and Bumiputras and the interest of other races concerning citizenship and basic rights as stated in the Constitution.
The DAP has been doing that since it took over Lee Kuan Yew's so-called malaysian malaysia slogan in the 1960s, leading to the racial riots of 1969. Let's keep on hitting them out, hopefully as a pre-emptive measure. Because when they question the Special Malay and Bumiputera Position, it's difficult to restrain the Malays not to question their citizenship right as a reaction.
China is on it's way to becoming the 2nd largest economy but their social order, freedom and rights of the people and public amenities is so deplorable that the Prime Minister only at last week's People's Consultative Assembly began to talk of addressing such issues. When so many crimes are punishable by death, including corruption, and yet the crime rate has remained high, what does it tell you about conditions of life in that country? Sure, those fellows would jump at the opportunity to live permanently in heavenly Malaysia.
This is the more reason we must make the errant and disloyal nons in this country appreciate what they have and be Constitution compliant. Otherwise, it's difficult to stop those who want to show them the door for non-compliance.
Aku.
Just to get the ball rolling on Bosz KM's reading list.
Some online stuff
1. Sir Thomas Stamford Raffles As his last public act, Raffles had contributed Sp$2,000 toward the establishment of a Singapore Institution, which he had envisioned as a training ground for Asian teachers and civil servants and a place where European officials could gain an appreciation of the rich cultural heritage of the region as Raffles himself had.
Note to Aku: Singapore was already 'given away' by the Sultan of Johor in the 19th century, but TAR kicked them out again when they rejoined Malaya!
2.Interaksi antara Tamadun Melayu, Cina dan India Menurut Sulalat al-Salatin (Sejarah Melayu) - Tun Ali, keturunan Melayu Tamil, dilantik menjadi Sri Nara Diraja, dan cucu Tun Ali, Raja Kasim menjadi Sultan Melaka (Sultan Muzaffar Shah, 1446-56)Please take note all you TunM haters out there.
3. ISLAM DAN KEBUDAYAAN ALAM MELAYU Recommended read.
4. From one of the better written Malay blogs I've come across:
a.Sejarah yang terpadam
b.Pemurnian Sejarah Bangsa – Mengembalikan Nilai Harga Sebuah Bangsa
The theories may be a bit controversial and out there but at least it's written properly.
Any other good reads to recommend?
Not the bahasa rojak/cincai types please.
-ikhwan-
How good of you msleepyhead
I sincerely thank you for providing the link.
Regards
msleepyhead,
Thanks for the note, my dear.
A quick one for the time being - wd be nice if you tell Lee Kuan Yew and his his likes not to exploit the Malays further. He should be grateful that the the Malaysian Army Brigadier General stationed in Singapore then was instructed by the same stupid Tengku A Rahman to go see him and state he was under instruction to protect him.
Malays no longer do that to Lee Kuan Yew. He doesn't even trust his own kind and employed Gurkhas for personal and residential security, and Jews to advise him militarily.
He should also take note that in Fiji, even when the nons majority won the elections, they were denied the power to rule, as the Army grabbed power.
But bloody smart LKY doesn't give the minority in Singapore high ranks in the military. But gave the rank of Bragadier General to his son. Son of a gun.
But every body makes mistakes in this world. His time will come. Making mistake or whatever.
Pls don't say I'm minding S'pore's business. I can quote you tons of cases where the chauvinist and racist LKY minded Malaysia's business.
Aku.
"Even the 1969 racial riot was explained in a very short paragraph when I studied SPM as if they wanted to avoid discussing it." - Adam
The authorities and the powers that be were sweeping problems under the carpet. Like they did to the problem of vernacular schools. Like they did to Dirty Harry (Lee Kuan Yew) menacing in this country when Singapore joined Malaysia in 1963 - kicked him and Singapore out instead of holding and squeezing his balls. (Tun Dr Mahathir said in his just published book that Harry Lee cried on TV when kicked out because his hope of becoming PM of a relatively large country was dashed). He hates being called Harry, the name he used during his University days and banned a few people from Singapore, including 2-3 lawyers.
In the name of inculcating loyalty and patriotism, the leaders must make it plain and simple to the people. Tell them the facts surrounding May 13 like written in the Government White Paper issued not long after the racial riots, so that the younger generation becomes aware and tries to avoid racial polarization, acts and utterances that might lead to another May 13.
Of course those responsible for perpetrating it would want May 13 even expunged from the records if possible. Their guilt conscience - like the DAP people. The problem is not that Najib is scared of DAP but that he wants everybody's votes. He should realize that the hardcore opposition blokes will never give their votes to BN. The Ministry of Education must ensure that May 13 would be more than just a paragraph when History becomes a compulsory subject in 2013.
Idris.
The nons very few comment here. Want to know why? So many places Malaysian Insider, Malaysia Today, Malaysiakini. They comment there and don’t get hit. Say anything they like, all come out. They like to read those blogs. Because alwys anti-Malay. Malay comments cannot get in. They banned. Only one or two in, just for show. The comment not so bad to them come out.
Neber mind. Let them do that. Coz we can’t do anything anyways. Even US cannot stop Wikileaks. Not yet. They trying very hard to get the fler. Britain send him to Sweden or somewhere. Better chance to get the fler sucked to the US. US got good suck power you know. Wish we have here. If not suck mebbe push power. For the not loyal flers, the hard head ones.
I think they read this blog. Famous hitting hard disloyal flers. Hope some of them learn. They say not disloyal. Only want to ask. But how they ask sometime funny. I read last few disloyal flers. Cannot understand how they think. Also how they says things. The reason they gives also funny. I seen many readers hit even strong words.
I support history must learn in school if not no pass exam. I also learn history here. Many not teaching in school. Also support teach loyalty and constition. We must loyal if not don’t live here lah.
Zosha.
KijangMas,
The subject of loyalty and patriotism is a never-ending one. Especially in Malaysia where the pendatang constitutes nearly 30% of the population and vernacular schools and other non-unifying aspects of Malaysian life have been allowed to continue after the British left.
This statement of yours attracts my attention:
"You demand all sorts of "rights" and the right to be treated equally. But you do not demonstrate to us the majority your willingness to equally share our moments of patriotic joy as fellow rakyats."
If even the sharing of "moments of patriotic joy" they don't want to do, what more willingness to allow "equality" by way of the levelling of the playing field.
The nons have to get out of the ultra kiasu mentality for long-term racial harmony and peace in this country. Even the use of the term ultra kiasu has been questioned here. I see no attempt to state whether it means more than what has been described as not wanting to be left out or not wanting to lose out.
Nobody can ever win all the time. You win some, lose some. Give and take. Reasonableness. You press too hard like the so-called malaysian malaysia fellows, it led to 13 May 1969. And they say even saying so is threatening them. Again ultra kiasu.
For goodness sake, we need to be reasonable. Find our places in society. Act and behave accordingly. The Malays having got political power do not treat the pendatangs harshly. Tun A Razak with Emergency powers, backed by the Army, even handed back power to Parliament only after 18 months. Yet in other countries, including Fiji, the Army grabbed power to correct imbalances or unsustainable socio-political conditions.
There really must be reasonableness among the nons. The "rights" they want are not reasonable. Where it means equality, how can there be equality if they do not take into account of the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak. It's blatantly unfair to want to keep citizenship right, maintain the economic control of the country, yet want more and more. Not even agreeing to the levelling of the playing field.
I support the view that we must keep on writing as much as we can, as often as we can, to point these out, and to demand, in return, for the nons to show loyalty and patriotism to this country. One clear and concrete way is to show respect for and to live by the Constitution fully.
When they have, for example, started to consciously co-operate, deliberately assist and encourage the Malays in participating in the economic development of the country, particularly in the production and distribution network of the economy, only then should some of their demands be entertained.
Otherwise, such things as scholarships given to Chinese students are being grudged because they have so much money that UTAR even refused RM30 million scholarship etc donation by one of the hundreds of Chinese millionaire philanthropists in the country. And they have been having an established system of mutual help through all kinds of clan associations and business guilds which are exclusive, only for themselves.
Maju.
How's it going saudara Kijang Mas? I think this topic is dead for now. Waiting for your next writing.
Adam
En route to work today, radio quoted a Buddhist saying of "kindness is the higher being" or some sort. Ya ka? I'll share with you guys what I saw in Myanmar during a relief mission few years back after had this terrible flood. Myanmar Muslims were forced to assimilate and had to adopt Myanmar-sounding names to avoid persecutions. They had to flee their kampungs and live in big cities. In Myanmar they made the law such as that you are only allowed to pray in the mosque and not your houses. The mosques on the other hand were from 3 decades ago and in a state of disrepair, not fit for use. They ensured all possible bureaucracy to stop them being repaired. Pandai! And this is supposed to be a Buddhist government ( just like Thailand's ) Anyway - sorry, that was digressing a bit. Time for Malays to be proud of this land and fight, and to be proud that we have been good and kind, and the 'nons' : please take notice. Apa lagi yang kamu mahu? I used to look up to Chinese ( and Indians ) because of their calls for fairness and democracy but then it turned out that they're the same if not worse. Manusia, sama saja! Those who've worked in the private sector know how un-meritocratic the Chinese are, same with the Indian ketua pengarahs who seemed to only promote their same kind. To these 'self proclaimed higher beings" everything Malay is low-class or inferior. Ya ka? I remember watching movies and the mobile rang loudly followed by a booming voice of "weii?" - huh, talk about class (or lack of it) and they should be reminded that money can't buy them class. And yet they adopt all these western sounding names as they're seen as progressive ( funnily they choose names that mat salleh themselves would shun eg Dominic, ) : fair enough if they're Christians. Anyone remember Lat's cartoon of an Indian gomen officer in a lift with a very long name tag that read "Archibald Aranulantham". There's no Ismail Leong or Zarina Rajagopal: sadly Muslims / malays a not fashionable. (salah melayu jugak).
Oh god I'm digressing again: well, screw vernacular schools. Time for us to have 1sekolah for all. All these while we lived in two / three parallel worlds oblivious to each other during primary school only to meet later. Mana boleh! Yet these supposedly 'more exposed and more widely read' people want a democracy like in USA or UK : podah lah. You guys don't even have the basic concept of courtesy or gentlemanly conduct. ( and Malays are still very slow to evolve - their religious leaders studied in places where there are no exemplary civil societies anyway - the middle earth, sorry, east JUMUD nak mampus )
I'll rant again.
The stuff written about Indonesia and Thailand are indeed very true. Thaksin Sinawat(ra) is sino-Thai. I remember in my budak-budak years the names of Indon badminton players: ethnic chinese by the names of Eddy Gunawan, Rudy Hartono. I do think it's right for Malays to question "apa lagi yang korang nak?" : they've been allowed to retain their original identities, religions etc, still melayu Mason jahat lagi? I was in the gulf states with policies worse than Malaysia's and nobody batted an eyelid - all pendatangs including Chinese just kept quiet.
The pot calling the kettle black. Yes: like the kiasu accusing the other race as kiasu. As told by Ikhwan: the businessman with their strong-arm tactics. Theyre the ones with unfair practices, protectionism and yet hurling accusations of the same sin at the gomen and the Malays. Even the mainland China recently came under fierce criticism by foreign multinationals. The reason? Mahu ambil sahaja, tak mahu beri. These multinationals complained that despite pledges to open the economy and make it free, they don't reciprocate and made it a unidirectional. Sounds familiar? I've heard of "show no mercy as they'll have none for you" . Melayu2 liberal (are you one of them, Adam?) think they're fighting for a just cause by what is the guarantee that the other race will return the favour? So far from what I've seen, nehi....(term borrowed from Bollywood).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdbnssEZ_Xk
Kenchana,
what do you think?
Adam
-ikhwan-
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Kenchana said:In Myanmar they made the law such as that you are only allowed to pray in the mosque and not your houses. The mosques on the other hand were from 3 decades ago and in a state of disrepair, not fit for use. They ensured all possible bureaucracy to stop them being repaired
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Thank you for sharing the story.
Yes this is generally the "nasib" of the Muslims in other countries and we have not even mentioned about the treatment of our muslim brothers under the oppressive communist of China.
What disappointing me the most is that even here in our home soil of Malaysia where we give them the freedom of their own religious or having no religions at all, they still dare to "pijak our kepala". No respect at all to the sensitivity of the muslims. Azan pun dihina, nama Allah pun nak berebut padahal boleh pakai Tuhan.....etc etc
On another note; here is another example of the greediness attitude of the Chinese:
(This one here probably msleepyhead would claim that it is another example of the Chinese wanting "prosper" but often mistaken as being greed? or maybe another example of Chinese having good sense of business acumen?)hehe
Anyway here it is:
MX Sydney Newspaper 17 March 2011:
US, A group of chinese ganged up and armed or given with huge amount of money by a syndicate - with the aimed to buy the new release Apple Ipad as many as they can. Each of them would continue to queue after each transaction to buy the items over and over again as much as they can. This is so that they could sold them back at twice the price once the stock has been sold out or to other country where the Ipad hasnt been released.
The store manager when interviewed said she realized that what they did were wrong and can be considered as "dirty tactic" which has caused many of others Apple Ipad fans losing the opportunity to get the new released item. However there is nothing that she could do about it.
Adam,
The subject of loyalty, patriotism and nationalism is a never ending one. The football match is over but the message KM put out will remain forever, especially in Malaysia where the nons claim to be Malaysian but many do not respect the Constitution fully, a few like the DAP even want to dismantle it.
Did you read about the Perak Mufti talking about a draft of a new Constitution presumably drafted by the DAP chauvinists and racists? Those blokes even want to do away with the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak. A dangerous lot, those who had contributed towards the 13 May 1969 racial clashes and yet do not want to be remembered of the event. The Paneh Miang blog has the stories.
Aku.
kenchana,
Agree with you, "Time for Malays to be proud of this land and fight, and to be proud that we have been good and kind, and the 'nons' : please take notice. Apa lagi yang kamu mahu?"
Many Malays take things for granted. Theirs is a culture of polite accomodation, but when provoked to the extreme, they mengamok, like Dato Sagor and his men attacked and had British Resident in Perak, JWW Birch, speared to death along the banks of Perak River in Pasir Salak in 1875.
Or when the DAP fellows started going round in election victory celebration convoys shouting rude words and showing utterly obscene behaviour in Kampong Bahru etc in 1969. Malays should change, have a revolution, of the mental kind, be steadfast and reasonable when agreeing to the demands of others.
Until the Chinese become readily willing not only to accept the Constitution fully but also to share the wealth of this country in a positive and concrete manner, like co-operate and assist in the production and distribution chain, do not give them scholarships and places in public universities that need to cater to the Malays who do not have anywhere else to go. Whereas the Chinese have control over the economy, have the largest share of the wealth of the country, hundreds of philanthropist millionaires ready and ever willing to donate scholarships etc to the extent that the newspapers reported that UTAR refused RM30 million offered by a Chinese millionaire philanthropist Engineer some months ago.
Malays should hit back and shout at political leaders who keep on giving for the sake of votes. Those doing so should be eased out by the Executive Committee or Supreme Council, otherwise voted out at Annual General Assemblies.
It may be easier said than done but if Malays keep on sounding such things out rather than let things be, we won't have to lose out, for example, on scholarships which are meant for the disadvantaged lot and places at public universities which should cater for those left far behind by nearly a century of British colonial rule that ignored their educational and economic well being. The Chinese have so many places at private universities both locally and abroad, and they have a well established system of help and assitance by the rich for the needy via exclusive clan associations and business guilds.
Aku.
ikhwan,
I'm afraid it's the Malay politicians and we the polite, timid Malay rakyat that gave them so much that some of them still dare to "pijak our kepala". We need to change, we must change, protect Malay rights and privileges and promote Malay interests in this country. And get the lost Malay souls who think they are liberal and intellectual when in fact they are not and are pseudo-liberal, not even understanding the basis for long-term unity and peace in this country. Adam, hope you are reading this as well.
On the example of greediness that you wrote about, perhaps it's their culture, desire to progress or whatever they may call it. It's what makes the Jews keep wanting more and more, dog eats dog, like Ponzi scheme Bernard Madof made off with US$60 billion (repeat, billion) of fellow Jews' money.
The sickening thing is that those who break queues and such will put up faces of nonchalance, as if they have done nothing wrong. We have to keep on pointing out to such fellows that it's not only wrong, it's unreasonable and not in the spirit of Malaysian-ness, to say the least.
Aku.
I am what people here would call a 'non' who was born in the 60s and grew up in this tanah air tercinta in the 70s. Only difference is back then I was not a 'non' where our different heritage was never an issue.
I am sad to see the state of affairs here in Malaysia. It was our nation back then, our Malaysia. My father was a royal ranger regiment officer and he along with other chinese, indian, malay, borneo and semenanjung natives stood guard of this country, ever willing to, and have spill blood of the enemies to defend it. I am 2nd generation ranger soon to be retired and proud father of a 3rd generation ranger in my family. In service, we were never nons. We were just rangers.
I love this country and i dare anyone to call me a pendatang, and see which of my comrades of the 6th ranger battalion comes charging towards you. Do not be surprised when you see most of them being malays.
I am an old man but i can only wish that we can reclaim what we had lost over the years. What i want to see is a united front of all races, the real patriots standing firm to reclaim this country from the dogs.
The other day, having absolutely nothing else to do, I glanced the TV. It was a brief interview of a woman weight-lifter. I did not really pay attention, but my ears did listen to her "mumbling" in Bahasa Kebangsaan.
At that moment, my mind was seeing a malay woman serving the army (the weight lifter was a member of some arm forces branch).
Not until the 2nd time I glanced at the TV, when my eyes caught the name of the weight-lifter. She was not a Malay!!!
I tell you, we still have Malaysia in our arm forces, PDRM and such like, as we still have our nation back then.
I salute people like BRAVO COMPANY. I do believe, BRAVO COMPANY is Malaysian, whole-heartedly MALAYSIAN and not chinese.
bravo company,
Welcome to this blog, if I may say so at least on my own behalf.
True, "back then .. our different heritage was never an issue" and I, too, am sad to see the state of affairs now in this country. Why we have become like this - may I respectfully suggest you read past articles in this blog, especially the one which ends in ".. the Creation of a United and Cohesive Bangsa Malaysia" and another one, entitled "At Last Some One With Testicular Fortitude".
You see, this blog is dedicated to national unity, calls for the streamlining of the sekolah kebangsaan and the sekolah jenis kebangsaan, the merging of the vernacular schools with the Bahasa Malaysia medium of instruction national schools, to allow our young children the opportunity to mix with other races, develop common values, hopes and aspirations (that should bring about unity) right from the beginning of school life. That would also be in line with Article 152 of the Constitution that says Bahasa Malaysia is the language of the country.
Please be assured that the service of the Royal Rangers have always been and will always be valued by fellow Malaysians, especially in the fight against the communist terrorists. Good that you have the Ranger tradition up to the 3rd generation in your family.
On your concern of possible references to you as a non and being called a pendatang, may I draw your attention to the fact that an authoritative book published just 2 years ago in 2009 gives a lot of explanations showing that the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak belong to the same "Rumpun Melayu" as the Peninsular Malays.
The book, "Tamadun Alam Melayu", by Mohd Arof Ishak, was published by the Historical Society of Malaysia. It is not just an ordinary society but the prominent and well established historical society, easily recognized as the authority on the history of this country. It was formed right from the British colonial times, its present members and executive committee members include many University Professors, including the prominent and well respected History Professor Emeritus Tan Sri Khoo Kay Kim.
The book explains the scores of research and studies scientifically done since Captain Cook's travels in the 19th Century right through the 150 years to the present time, by linguists, anthropologists, archeologists, etc. Captain Cooke in fact brought along an expert in languages with him during his voyages.
Since then until now the experts have recorded, studied and analysed the languages of this Gugusan Pulau Pulau Melayu or the Malay Archipelago, even compared them with languages as far away as South America, to know if any of the groupings among the people in this region came from or have any relationship with the ancient civilizations of South America - whch there weren't. They found a total of over 1,200 languages among us, which belong to the same Large Family of Languages, which showed all of those who speak them as belonging to the same "Rumpun Melayu", not linked with South America or elsewhere as far as our origins are concerned.
I believe if you'd like to spend your retirement days looking at the similarities of the language you speak at home with the Malay language or Bahasa Malaysia, it'd be very interesting. I'm quite sure there are many similarities. Root words may be the same although the affixes "me", "pe", "ke" etc and the suffixes "an", "kan" and so on may have made them look or sound different.
Dot.
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bravo company,
Past theories about the origins of the Malays or Rumpun Melayu being from Yunan or even from Taiwan have been superseded by the current one - that we originate from the Malay Archipelago, believed to be in the area between Sulu and Sulawesi, about 5,000 years ago.
Acquiring boat building skills (beginning with the perahu fitted with out-riggers, graduating to 2-3 tiered ships the size of the ancient Roman galleons) and navigational skills, our ancestors travelled in and out of the area, including Sabah, Sarawak and Peninsular Malaysia. They reached as far as Madagascar, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, the Polynesian Islands as far as Hawaii, Indochina and Taiwan.
The terms Proto Malays, Deutero Malays, Malayo-Polynesians and Astronesians refer to the same Rumpun Melayu comprising of about 350 million people. Foreign influences - colonialism, religion and politics have played their part in making the Rumpun Melayu known as Malaysians, Indonesians, Filipinos etc, and in Malaysia the Constitution set the Muslim Malays apart from the others.
We therefore need to think of ourselves belonging to the same Rumpun, having a common origin and feel well disposed to one another.
I agree with you fully that we need to "reclaim what we had lost over the years". More than that, we need to have the "united front of all races, the real patriots standing firm to reclaim this country from the dogs", like you said.
I think most of us regulars in this blog have been going in that direction, some stating their views more passionate than others, perhaps because they are passionate about the well being of our country. I think if you read more of the past articles and the numerous comments, you'd get to feel that.
Welcome again, and hope to see more of you expressing your views here.
Dot.
PS:
Should you be interested in the book, it's available at the Historical Society building, opposite Institute Jantung Negara on Jalan Tun Razak, or at Muzium Negara, KL @RM 90.
-ikhwan-
Mr Bravo Company
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
To me, The "different heritage" has never been the issue and is not the issue.
This is similar to other western country like Australia, UK, Germany etc. It is not a problem to have and practice different than the mainstream heritage provided that one respect and acknowledge the "official country heritage".
The problem is when this "different heritage" started claiming "on par status" with the mainstream Melayu heritage.
Although some may see me as having a staunch resentment towards the NONS on the contrary; I AM NOT.
I myself am prepare to shed my own blood for some of my friends who are NONS.
I myself would even prepare to vote one of my NONS friend as the Prime Minister of this beloved nation. I have truly no hesitation in that.
But this NONS friend of mine are nothing like those Arrogant Ungrateful NONS Chinese Chauvinist etc that are prevalent nowadays.
They speak impeccable Bahasa Malaysia, they do not shout and keep harping on those sensitive issues to other races. They respect the mainstream Malaysia identity while amazingly still retaining their own different heritage and culture.
bravo company,
A short note to say that I echo what has been said above. Welcome.
Hope you are reading the comments and would continue writing here.
This is our country and we must make it a better place to live in, our future generations proud of it.
We reap what we sow and let's sow some good ideas and suggestions.
Even if it'll be our children who will be the ones to reap what we sow.
Cheers and God bless.
Aku.
ikhwan
You said, "I myself would even prepare to vote one of my NONS friend as the Prime Minister of this beloved nation. I have truly no hesitation in that."
Call me racist or what but, with the number of racist blokes in this country, I think we should be very wary of that because even the MCA aped the DAP racist stand in endorsing a resolution calling for the Bumi equity target be abolished. And I like those fellows who, when saying that, make it a point to say there are Malays reacting, asking their citizenship right be abolished as well. Tit for tat or tit for tit, what have you.
Imagine, MCA, a coalition partner, doing that! Imagine what will happen when Chua Soi Lek or the likes of him become a Prime Minister. Or that Wee MCA Youth fellow. Me Nono here says no, no, no. Whatever they may say - strategy to attract DAP supporters or what. They are just emboldening the others to try and erode the Malay position.
I can't even accept Najib appearing to be pseudo liberal, allowing so many concessions to the Chinese, what more letting any of them be PM. The Chinese, I mean, not the nons. Because the Chinese have the most wealth, control the economy of this country, yet have they ever shown a willingness to share that wealth equitably? Have they ever attempted to help the Malays in business, show the ropes, or tried to get struggling Malays into the production and distribution chain in the economy of the country.
Not only they have not been doing that, they even want the Bumi equity target be abolished. How dare them. Racism, they say, is where there is antagonism against another race. Wanting Bumi target be abolished is not racist? And MCA wanting to tikam Melayu in the back?
I believe even the good ones will become racist when they become politicians. Politics they say is dirty but it's the bloody politicians who become dirty when they start thinking of nothing else but votes. Willing even to keep quiet on the NEP in the NEM, pengkhianat bangsa and all.
And, as proven by MCA and the Chua Soi Lek crowd, even the BN Chinese disregard the need to level the playing field to get votes. With the DAP blokes some more, there'll be chaos in this country if such fellows are allowed to lead. Malays are no longer the ignorant, poorly educated and diam sahaja accomodating people they have been since British times. Even British times, they mengamok when provoked. Speared the British Resident JWW Birch to death. MCA and all need to always remember never to have resolutions calling for Bumi equity target be abolished, or make such racist and seditious calls, in the future.
Nono.
-ikhwan-
Nono
I guess you missed my point there.
I am not just simply prepare to vote for any NONS to become the Prime Minister of this beloved nation which include the chinese chauvinist DAP, MCA and the like. This would be foolish of me.
My friend NONS as I referred to are nothing like them at all.
And I quote back what I wrote:
"They (my NONS friends) speak impeccable Bahasa Malaysia, they do not shout and keep harping on those sensitive issues to other races. They respect the mainstream Malaysia identity while amazingly still retaining their own different heritage and culture".
And example of this can be seen with Dr Ridhuan Tee.
He is definitely a NONS (constitutionally he is a Malay though) but if you give me a choice whether to vote him against the like of Nik Aziz or Najib Tun Razak or Anwar Ibrahim......I can guarantee you that I would definitely vote for him in lieu of those incompetent Melayu leaders.
Trust this would clarify what I wrote before.
ikhwan
OK, got your point brother. Though I still have my doubts, let's let that matter rest there.
Let's carry on getting those who claim to be rakyat Malaysia but not respecting and living by the Constitution of this country.
Let's talk about what constitutes loyalty, patriotism and nationalism, as has been mentioned earlier on and discussed by KijangMas from the support-our-football-team example.
I support the view that the entire Government machinery should be mobilized to explain to the rakyat what loyalty, patriotism and nationalism is all about, make them aware of the need to be loyal and show one's loyalty and patriotism beyond just paying tax and saying I love this country.
What say you, friend? And you others out there, how about talking these out.
Let's not wait for war or any critical situation to emerge to show one's loyalty, patriotism and nationalism. How about it, guys?
Nono.
-ikhwan-
Nono
Whatever it is bro, I guess we have one thing in common i.e. we both dislike the chinese chauvinist racist, the non respecting constitutional type NONS.
I find it really irritating seeing this common - typical NONS argument....I am patriotic/loyal Malaysian because I pay tax...I pay more tax...bla bla bla...
Bro, If I have the power, I would have thrown them (this NONS) into their tongkang with all their assets, tax money and whatever else and send them packing to their beloved foreign land.
We do not need any of their tax money. The chaos, instability, corruption, environmental pollution etc etc that they have created outweigh any benefit of their tax money however large it maybe.
Furthermore what is the point of having all this big buildings, development etc and "a rich nation" supposedly because of their tax money? when it is not equally shared by the Malay and other Bumiputra!? When it is the Malay and Bumiputra that would have to reside at the countryside/village in poverty watching all these developments and richness that doesn't bring them any benefit at all.
By the way, I reckon without the corruption and tax money induced by this NONS (off course with the help of the individual Melayu) this country would have prosper far better than what we seeing today.
Regards
ikhwan
As you have qualified it here or elsewhere before, we are against only the chauvinist, racist, non-loyal ones. Those not respecting and adhering to the Constitution fully.
I think the key word is loyalty. A genuine sense of belonging to this country, not merely existing while exploiting the wealth of this country to the fullest. Oblivious to the needs of others, the predicament of those left behind for one reason or other, and to the dire need for a harmonious and peaceful Malaysia.
So much has been written about these in the past. Culture, way of life, mental attitude, kiasuness, selfishness of the extreme kind, ungratefulness, secret societies, gangsterism and all. They must be said again and again. In the face of what they say about us, tongkat, malas, corrupt and all those words that are also applicable to them, including malas, when you consider the so-called Ah Long business etc are not hard work but merely exploiting people's hard life or misfortune by making them indebted, then chase them endlessly gangster- style and all. They say all sorts against us even in English language media, what more in the Chinese language media.
The chauvinistic and racist DAP propaganda is commonplace. But the bloody call for the Bumi equity target be abolished is the last straw for me. I will want to hit at that at every available opportunity from then on. That's just intolerable, inexcuseable and damn outright seditious. Imagine, a BN partner, MCA, doing it. No wonder there was the counter-call for their citizenship right be also abolished.
These are not even loyal partners of a coalition of ruling political parties, BN. Let alone loyal citizens who respect and adhere to the Constitution Article 153 on the Special Position of the Malays and the Bumiputeras of Sabah and Sarawak. If loyal, they would have respected that Special Position, from which was drawn the NEP. They would have wanted a harmonious and peaceful Malaysia, would have agreed to a level playing field.
More to come.
Nono.
I agree to what people say you cannot be patriotic if you are not loyal to the country. Patriotism is feeling love for the country. So strong you want to do things for the country. Die also for country if necessary. Where got like that if you are not loyal. Not even follow the Constitution and Rukun Negara.
I am from Perak and I know the history of this state. I also agree to what they say about pengkhianat negara of the Ghee Hin or Hai San Kapitan Cina and gangsters asking British to enter Perak to help them get back tin mines lost to rivals. This led to British entering Perak and British colonial rule. At that time they say it’s not their country so who cares.
Since I am in the business of agreeing this morning, I also agree these disloyal people still use gangsterism and secret societies today. Actually no need to agree this one. Everybody knows it. Police spend tons of money every year to control them. Police has special section to handle this. And they say they pay tax so are loyal. What man.
Yeop.
I ask you where on Earth can you find a country like Malaysia for the Chinese. Not in Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines where they can’t even retain their names etc. The Indonesian Government may have relaxed enforcing their integration laws now but the people still spit at the nons behind their backs.
US is the most liberal country in the world but read what they say and watch the movies depicting life in their Chinatowns in very unfavourable ways. As has been pointed out many times, British Prime Minister David Cameron and German Chancellor Angela Merckel have said multi-culturalism is dead. They are dead against the unloyal, disloyal, couldn’t-care-less-about-the-country-they-live-in immigrants, over-stayers and illegal residents. (How do you like the many hyphens, guys).
Wonder if they would find a country like Malaysia in planet Mars as far as the opportunities the Chinese can find are concerned. Yet the unloyal Chinese in Malaysia are not thankful for what they have. Keep asking for this and that, demanding for more and more. Asking for more is one thing. But asking that the Malays should not have more is plainly racist and must be abhorred, condemned and lambasted time and again.
The playing field must be leveled. The race riots of 1969 were explained away in polite and non-aggravating terms. Like the long-term cause being due to the identification of race with social functions, the huge gap between the haves and the have-nots. But these conditions are still there, aren't they?
If so, shouldn’t the Chinese be accommodating to the Malays in turn? In return for the Malays being accommodating to them now for 150 years already? Shouldn’t they respect, accept and adhere to the Social Contract the essence of which is inscribed in the Constitution of the country? Shouldn’t they respect and abide by the Constitution fully? Isn’t loyalty based on respect for and adherence to the Constitution?
Nono.
ikhwan,
Realistically speaking, I don’t mind their tax money. But I mind the bribing to get the money - two-ways, of course, though I suspect they started it, bringing the age-old habit from the Motherland and bribery is foreign to the Malays in their ancient or intermediate history. And the fallacy they created saying they pay the most tax when it’s the GLCs (Petronas, Telecoms and all) who actually pay the most.
I also don’t mind “the big buildings, development etc” because the "rich nation" image does make people respect this country and we become proud when overseas they speak of Malaysia with respect. But I dislike the “unloyal”, especially the “disloyal” ones, who talk disparagingly, even treacherously, about this country at home or abroad. Those who have migrated and continue doing so I couldn’t care less and wish those who have not migrated but find Malaysia not acceptable leave for those countries they think they can respect and be loyal to. Whatever arguments they may put out must be based on the Constitution, rules of decency, reasonableness, etc.
However maju I want as my name is also Maju, I agree with you that there is no need to rush to development to be a high-income nation because, in the zealousness of wanting to attract foreign investments, even the NEP is quitened down in the NEM.
Allegations of investments running away due to "unliberal" policies are a lot of hogwash because investors naturally get attracted to cheaper labour and various incentives offered by newly developing nations like Vietnam. Even the local investors, not bound by any sense of loyalty to this country, or go purely by the old adage of "business is business", cabut when the grass is greener elsewhere.
And btw, now income should increase as prices have been increasing a lot and Najib would achieve a high-income nation status soon!
But I must rub in the loyalty bit some more – how to be loyal and patriotic if one only thinks of money for oneself only, no matter what, irrespective of contributing to the needs of the nation other than paying tax. How to be considered patriotic if one thinks only of votes, irrespective of getting the various races feel well disposd to one another.
Yes, it is extremely important to level the playing field for long term harmony and peace in the country. We need to maju on that basis, otherwise it may be two steps forward and one step backward. They don't do that any more even in communist China.
Maju.
Rata-rata di sini, aspirasi kami sama sahaja. Cuma aku pinta supaya apabila isi hati diluahkan terhadap musuh dalaman negara agar kamu dapat juga berfikir tentang perasaan orang bukan melayu yang ikhlas patriotik dan sayangkan negara ini.
Rest assured that there are many nons who are willing to stand along your side to reclaim this country. Have some heart towards this people. People like me.
My father did not join the rangers (back then during his time it was the Sarawak Rangers, before establishment of the RRD)and kill communists and get shot at numerous times and survive on tapioca on weeks end, braving the hostile rain forest and thick bamboo hills only to be called greedy, unpatriotic and disloyal.
My father was half chinese, half iban but killed communists, who were his own race. Why? for loyalty and for the future generations of this country.. For you!
Ibu aku seorang berbangsa cina. Bapa aku juga separuh cina. Tetapi jika Malaysia diserang negara Cina, aku bersama regimen aku adalah berisan pertahanan pertama yang akan mempertahankan negara ini. Begitu juga dengan anak aku yang ibunya seorang cina.
Tolong fikirkanlah perasaan kami dan bukalah ruang sedikit untuk bekerjasama dengan semua bangsa bukan melayu yang ikhlas ingin memperjuangkan aspirasi yang bersehaluan dengan kamu. I think some of us have earned this right.
bravo company,
I dare say not "some" but "many" of you have earned the right.
But have a thought also about those who do not respect and live by the Constitution of the country fully.
So much have been said about the creation of a united and cohesive Bangsa Malaysia in this blog and elsewhere. Hope you have read at least the pertinent ones to be able to feel the strong need for it.
We acknowledge the role of the Sarawak Rangers in fighting the communists. Others have played a role, too, and many have lost their lives defending our nation against the Communists during the state of Emergency and the Indonesians during Confrontation.
But people have been talking, for example, about the absence of, and the lack of interest shown by 1-2 sectors of the population to serve in the Armed Forces and the Police. This is an example of the shortcomings that are spoken by those passionate about loyalty, patriotism and the well being of the country.
Let's find ways to overcome those shortcomings. We need to talk about them rather than sweep our problems under the carpet.
Nono.
Citizen like Bravo Company are one of the many who has put the mark, the milestone to "SATU BANGSA, SATU NEGARA, SATU BAHASA".
Unfortunately, their voices are somewhat drowned in the barkings of ultra-kiasu, especially those coming from Semenanjung.
To me, Sabah & Sarawak are a lot more nearer to "SATU BANGSA, SATU NEGARA, SATU BAHASA" putting very much shame to the Semenanjung fellows. Thing becoming worse with Najib, promoting the identity-less 1-Malaysia.
Nice to see glimpse of the game, the goals in the news. A lot improvements and the boys played coherently as a team most of the time.
It is obvious the team profoundly Malay albeit a Tamil coach and a Chinese assistant. But they all planned well for that game. Kudos to them.
I think the standard is near to our past greats in 60s, 70s, 80s team and hopefully bring a jump to the next level.
But I love to that glorious crowd. No team of whatever make up would wanna fail in front of such crowd. Their patriotic feeling and euphoria filled into my living room,Their belief in this team was what sparked the team to win. I wished I had been there too. Makes me recall old Selangor-Spore clash, Malaysia - England B, S.Korea and my last attend Sea Games Final in KL in 80s. Proud days as Malaysian.
Its all just about Flag, Anthem and Team. Just like good old Merdeka Stadium days
Too bad not many nons think this way nowadays and are so detached.
I am a Non ... see me if you dont believe
Ye Olde Merdeka Stadium Lepak Guy
(Obor terrace was my turf)
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